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Completely agree. Mother Jones is a known Liberal magazine and despite the approach to not insert the authors opinion, you can clearly see the point of the art

Completely agree. Mother Jones is a known Liberal magazine and despite the approach to not insert the authors opinion, you can clearly see the point of the article is we need to have the ability to register guns with the government. I'm constantly shocked at how uninformed gun control advocates are.

theorique 13y ago
Disgusting. If these Obama-worshippers would pause for a moment in the adoration of their "Saint", they might see that he and his administration (DoJ) are responsible for the largest power grab and human rights violation in the history of this country. The Second Amendment is not a "suggestion" or "subject to interpretation" (aside from a constitutional amendment). It is part of the bedrock of this nation that was founded on a profound distrust of arbitrary government power, and a belief that "We The People" must keep our government small, scared, and subject to the will of the governed, not the other way around.
- kunai 13y ago
  Your point stands, but name-calling and sarcasm is just low. Really low. And the Second Amendment was founded for two purposes -- so that this nation would be able to defend itself against an outside force that sought to destroy the U.S.'s independence, and so that this nation would be able to defend itself against an inside force that sought to destroy the U.S.'s independence, i.e. the government. I'm constantly amazed at how few moderates and independents exist. There seems to be an intense dichotomy with regards to politics; you're either blue or red. The indoctrination towards either party must stop.
  - Retric 13y ago
    The second amendment was not about peoples ability to overthrow government it was about states ability to overthrow the federal government. Now days people don't think much about states as independent actors but back they where giving up on soverenty and wanted some protection.
- Terretta 13y ago
  > ...the largest power grab and human rights violation in the history of this country. The history of the country is a long time. Pretty sure slavery was a bigger human rights violation. But even talking within the last hundred years, pretty sure that would be the Patriot Act along with Homeland Security, TSA, and the rest of the perma-war apparatus wielded against citizens at home. Those freedoms are more useful on a daily basis to many more of us.
- venomsnake 13y ago
  I would recommend you to read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment to know what real government power grab is.
mikeash 13y ago
Really? My take-away was that home-built guns are a fascinating and mostly unknown loophole in the law that causes no real problems.
knowtheory 13y ago
Your post is depressing and self-defeating. Here is Mother Jones publishing an article which gets to the heart of how difficult gun control is as a practical matter, and what is your reply? Oh they're a "known Liberal magazine" (as if it mattered). And you're "shocked at how uninformed gun control advocates are". Here are your avowed Liberal gun control advocates, making the case that gun control is difficult and impractical, and what are you doing? You're chastising them. No attempt to assuage their concerns, no attempt to highlight the points that make gun control challenging. Nothing except a cultural appeal to people who already agree with you. Way to move the discussion forward.
lifeguard 13y ago
@at-fates-hands I bet you didn't know 60 people were accidentally killed by firearms yesterday. And the day before that, and the day before that. About 30 people are killed in attacks -- every day. And another thing, why is it gun patriots never give a fig about the other rights in the Constitution, like freedom of speech, religion, and assembly? I think you guys just like to play with guns. It takes a cold dead hand...
- andrewflnr 13y ago
  I don't believe your statement about "gun patriots" is based on reality. In my experience, gun rights, freedom of speech and freedom of religion are all bound up pretty tightly. A well-armed populace is often seen as a safeguard of those other rights.
- lifeguard 13y ago
  Talk is cheap. I never see gun nuts do anything promoting civil rights. EDIT: I did once meet a militia member at a non-gun civil rights event.
  - hga 13y ago
    I guess you don't realize that we believe the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a civil right? And in our view, no right is under greater attack than it (even after all the IRS abuse that has recently come to light)? And that therefore we're rather busy protecting it from people like you? And we're most certainly interested in other civil rights, ranging from freedom of speech (Citizens United, McCain hates us with a passion and were were one of the groups he and Feingold aimed to silence), to the abuses of SWAT raids. Read our stuff and you'll find your opinion to be ill founded.
    - lifeguard 13y ago
      I only hear you talk about ONE civil right, ignoring all the others. I think conflating guns and the right to a regulated militia, in the context of ignoring all other civil rights, indicates some other motivation. A motivation not influenced by rational thought. Start standing up for porn, flag burning, video games, and pastafarians and I might take you for some one serious about civil rights. Liberty is not about being able to do the things you like, it is much bigger. If you do stand up for the other civil right, thanks! But I see no evidence in tone or content of this.

theorique 13y ago

Disgusting. If these Obama-worshippers would pause for a moment in the adoration of their "Saint", they might see that he and his administration (DoJ) are responsible for the largest power grab and human rights violation in the history of this country. The Second Amendment is not a "suggestion" or "subject to interpretation" (aside from a constitutional amendment). It is part of the bedrock of this nation that was founded on a profound distrust of arbitrary government power, and a belief that "We The People" must keep our government small, scared, and subject to the will of the governed, not the other way around.

kunai 13y ago
Your point stands, but name-calling and sarcasm is just low. Really low. And the Second Amendment was founded for two purposes -- so that this nation would be able to defend itself against an outside force that sought to destroy the U.S.'s independence, and so that this nation would be able to defend itself against an inside force that sought to destroy the U.S.'s independence, i.e. the government. I'm constantly amazed at how few moderates and independents exist. There seems to be an intense dichotomy with regards to politics; you're either blue or red. The indoctrination towards either party must stop.
- Retric 13y ago
  The second amendment was not about peoples ability to overthrow government it was about states ability to overthrow the federal government. Now days people don't think much about states as independent actors but back they where giving up on soverenty and wanted some protection.
Terretta 13y ago
> ...the largest power grab and human rights violation in the history of this country. The history of the country is a long time. Pretty sure slavery was a bigger human rights violation. But even talking within the last hundred years, pretty sure that would be the Patriot Act along with Homeland Security, TSA, and the rest of the perma-war apparatus wielded against citizens at home. Those freedoms are more useful on a daily basis to many more of us.
venomsnake 13y ago
I would recommend you to read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment to know what real government power grab is.

mikeash 13y ago

Really? My take-away was that home-built guns are a fascinating and mostly unknown loophole in the law that causes no real problems.

knowtheory 13y ago

Your post is depressing and self-defeating. Here is Mother Jones publishing an article which gets to the heart of how difficult gun control is as a practical matter, and what is your reply? Oh they're a "known Liberal magazine" (as if it mattered). And you're "shocked at how uninformed gun control advocates are". Here are your avowed Liberal gun control advocates, making the case that gun control is difficult and impractical, and what are you doing? You're chastising them. No attempt to assuage their concerns, no attempt to highlight the points that make gun control challenging. Nothing except a cultural appeal to people who already agree with you. Way to move the discussion forward.

lifeguard 13y ago

@at-fates-hands I bet you didn't know 60 people were accidentally killed by firearms yesterday. And the day before that, and the day before that. About 30 people are killed in attacks -- every day. And another thing, why is it gun patriots never give a fig about the other rights in the Constitution, like freedom of speech, religion, and assembly? I think you guys just like to play with guns. It takes a cold dead hand...

andrewflnr 13y ago
I don't believe your statement about "gun patriots" is based on reality. In my experience, gun rights, freedom of speech and freedom of religion are all bound up pretty tightly. A well-armed populace is often seen as a safeguard of those other rights.
lifeguard 13y ago
Talk is cheap. I never see gun nuts do anything promoting civil rights. EDIT: I did once meet a militia member at a non-gun civil rights event.
- hga 13y ago
  I guess you don't realize that we believe the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a civil right? And in our view, no right is under greater attack than it (even after all the IRS abuse that has recently come to light)? And that therefore we're rather busy protecting it from people like you? And we're most certainly interested in other civil rights, ranging from freedom of speech (Citizens United, McCain hates us with a passion and were were one of the groups he and Feingold aimed to silence), to the abuses of SWAT raids. Read our stuff and you'll find your opinion to be ill founded.
  - lifeguard 13y ago
    I only hear you talk about ONE civil right, ignoring all the others. I think conflating guns and the right to a regulated militia, in the context of ignoring all other civil rights, indicates some other motivation. A motivation not influenced by rational thought. Start standing up for porn, flag burning, video games, and pastafarians and I might take you for some one serious about civil rights. Liberty is not about being able to do the things you like, it is much bigger. If you do stand up for the other civil right, thanks! But I see no evidence in tone or content of this.