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From the article: If people without families to support are brutally honest with themselves So you are not the audience.

auctiontheory 13y ago
How many people, even among entrepreneurs, plan to never have a family?
swampthing 13y ago
I don't know if that line makes much sense... just about everyone will have a family to support at some point. Why not plan ahead?
calinet6 13y ago
So think bigger: call the world your family. How can you support them? Might need some money to do it. It might not be your goal, but you can't deny it would be a noble one.
- dinkumthinkum 13y ago
  But now you are getting so far flung away from either the point of the article or even any serious criticisms of it. No one would deny helping humanity is a noble goal but, and I don't intend this in a mean way, what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?
ryguytilidie 13y ago
Wanting to start a family and having a family to support are two different things. I imagine the goal of a ton of people without families is to generate the capital necessary to start a family.
- dinkumthinkum 13y ago
  I really thought this was a glaring hole in the article. It's not as if those without families will never be in the set of those with families. It was a bit odd for me as well.
- manmal 13y ago
  Having started a family a year ago, I wonder what kind of capital is necessary to start a family is? For diapers? Or do people really want to save up for college when they have barely left college themselves? Until age 3, a child doesn't even need a dedicated room, so basically any apt suitable for 2 people will do. Disclaimer: I'm in Austria, maybe it's easier here.
  - ryguytilidie 13y ago
    Its almost certainly easier there, since you guys have, socialized medicine, cheaper education, affordable housing, etc. All of the things we're terrible at here in the US basically. Most people want to own a home, which in the SF area will be 500k or so just for a reasonable place. Then you have to pay a ton of money for health insurance, then you pay a ton to educate them, have a babysitter, etc.
    - lgieron 13y ago
      Not sure about the affordable housing. From what I've read, in many parts of Europe (for example in Germany), life-long renting is very common. In many other places (where the rental market isn't as developed or where people believe that they "must" own the property they live in), for many it takes a 30-year mortgage to buy a flat. Having said that, I don't know how the situation looks in Austria in particular.
  - swampthing 13y ago
    It depends on how much time you want to spend with your family. For example, if both parents want to stay at home to take care of the kids (admittedly rare), it'd take quite a bit of capital for a middle-class or higher lifestyle.
    - frobozz 13y ago
      Agreed. Even if only one of you wants to stay at home for some period, your household income is now halved, with an extra mouth to feed.
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auctiontheory 13y ago

How many people, even among entrepreneurs, plan to never have a family?

swampthing 13y ago

I don't know if that line makes much sense... just about everyone will have a family to support at some point. Why not plan ahead?

calinet6 13y ago

So think bigger: call the world your family. How can you support them? Might need some money to do it. It might not be your goal, but you can't deny it would be a noble one.

dinkumthinkum 13y ago
But now you are getting so far flung away from either the point of the article or even any serious criticisms of it. No one would deny helping humanity is a noble goal but, and I don't intend this in a mean way, what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

ryguytilidie 13y ago

Wanting to start a family and having a family to support are two different things. I imagine the goal of a ton of people without families is to generate the capital necessary to start a family.

dinkumthinkum 13y ago
I really thought this was a glaring hole in the article. It's not as if those without families will never be in the set of those with families. It was a bit odd for me as well.
manmal 13y ago
Having started a family a year ago, I wonder what kind of capital is necessary to start a family is? For diapers? Or do people really want to save up for college when they have barely left college themselves? Until age 3, a child doesn't even need a dedicated room, so basically any apt suitable for 2 people will do. Disclaimer: I'm in Austria, maybe it's easier here.
- ryguytilidie 13y ago
  Its almost certainly easier there, since you guys have, socialized medicine, cheaper education, affordable housing, etc. All of the things we're terrible at here in the US basically. Most people want to own a home, which in the SF area will be 500k or so just for a reasonable place. Then you have to pay a ton of money for health insurance, then you pay a ton to educate them, have a babysitter, etc.
  - lgieron 13y ago
    Not sure about the affordable housing. From what I've read, in many parts of Europe (for example in Germany), life-long renting is very common. In many other places (where the rental market isn't as developed or where people believe that they "must" own the property they live in), for many it takes a 30-year mortgage to buy a flat. Having said that, I don't know how the situation looks in Austria in particular.
- swampthing 13y ago
  It depends on how much time you want to spend with your family. For example, if both parents want to stay at home to take care of the kids (admittedly rare), it'd take quite a bit of capital for a middle-class or higher lifestyle.
  - frobozz 13y ago
    Agreed. Even if only one of you wants to stay at home for some period, your household income is now halved, with an extra mouth to feed.
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