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> reservation system for the admission of scheduled castes and others residing at the bottom of India's socioeconomic pyramid Correction: it's social pyramid o

> reservation system for the admission of scheduled castes and others residing at the bottom of India's socioeconomic pyramid Correction: it's social pyramid only. Classification of SC/STs is purely based on caste alone, not on economic status -- and we must fight to make it economic-only pyramid.

furyg3 13y ago
As an outsider, I would certainly agree with your comment. Caste quotas seem like they would only strengthen the system... Still, how synonymous is caste with economic status? I would guess "very" but your post makes it seem like there are some interesting nuances. What are India's caste demographics, anyway?
- test001only 13y ago
  Initially caste based quota was chosen because they were discriminated against by the society for a really long time. The profession one would go in was based on the caste they were born into. A barber's son would be barber, a cleaner's son would be cleaner. Here is one example : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devadasi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devadasi . People from certain caste are still socially backward while other caste have managed to come out. The problem is the reservation system is not reformed based on that. This is a topic of hot contention.
  - known 13y ago
    https://www.change.org/petitions/independent-nation-for-300-million-india-s-untouchables https://www.change.org/petitions/independent-nation-for-300-...
- manojlds 13y ago
  Cast system was based on work and hence mapped to the economic status. It is not the case anymore. Actually, it has led to reverse discrimination where those who are supposedly forward caste struggle to get into colleges and elsewhere. The reservation is one of the main reasons people leave India, and remain away.
- known 13y ago
  Indians are morally corrupt/fraud by birth (Caste system) for the past 3000 years. Google "90% of corrupt money is with Forward Caste people".
- aangjie 13y ago
  Hmm.i couldn't find anything more that the wikipedia page(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India) and this http://codeformumbai.org/ http://codeformumbai.org/ . But i think it's time for india to revise it's policies from purely caste based towards purely economy based. And indeed there are some changes on that regards (called creamy layer OBCs) see here . http://obcreservation.net/ver2/forum/6-ncl-what/2104-who-are-covered-under-creamy-layer-of-obc-quota.html http://obcreservation.net/ver2/forum/6-ncl-what/2104-who-are...
- anoncow 13y ago
  >Caste quotas seem like they would only strengthen the system... Actually they do. Some of my friends have come through quotas and they are no different when it comes to results. Some come from dire economic circumstances and I am happy that the quota system benefits them. They are no different because even with quotas they have to prepare and get somewhat decent marks in the exams. I agree though that these exams become insanely difficult for the general category students. Most people have enough potential to become a doctor or an engineer, so the quality isn't affected, in my opinion. The problem comes in because seats in colleges for medicine/engg are few and the quota system irks the general category students who do not get in despite the hardwork. The solution is to have more seats, with quality control else quality will suffer. For eg. District hospitals should have a medical college and seat selling in private colleges should be curbed. If there were enough seats for everything, students wouldn't have to worry about what they can get into and instead would have thought about what they want to get into.
saraid216 13y ago
Why would an "economic-only pyramid" be a better thing? It's not obvious to me that this is an easier goal than not having a pyramid at all.
- known 13y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triarchy_%28theory%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triarchy_%28theory%29
  - saraid216 13y ago
    That was almost an answer except in how it wasn't remotely an answer. Are you trying to say that plutocratic authoritarianism is the only reasonable way to run thing?
known 13y ago
Afraid to take your Caste share of land and build your own nation as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_Award https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_Award

furyg3 13y ago

As an outsider, I would certainly agree with your comment. Caste quotas seem like they would only strengthen the system... Still, how synonymous is caste with economic status? I would guess "very" but your post makes it seem like there are some interesting nuances. What are India's caste demographics, anyway?

test001only 13y ago
Initially caste based quota was chosen because they were discriminated against by the society for a really long time. The profession one would go in was based on the caste they were born into. A barber's son would be barber, a cleaner's son would be cleaner. Here is one example : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devadasi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devadasi . People from certain caste are still socially backward while other caste have managed to come out. The problem is the reservation system is not reformed based on that. This is a topic of hot contention.
- known 13y ago
  https://www.change.org/petitions/independent-nation-for-300-million-india-s-untouchables https://www.change.org/petitions/independent-nation-for-300-...
manojlds 13y ago
Cast system was based on work and hence mapped to the economic status. It is not the case anymore. Actually, it has led to reverse discrimination where those who are supposedly forward caste struggle to get into colleges and elsewhere. The reservation is one of the main reasons people leave India, and remain away.
known 13y ago
Indians are morally corrupt/fraud by birth (Caste system) for the past 3000 years. Google "90% of corrupt money is with Forward Caste people".
aangjie 13y ago
Hmm.i couldn't find anything more that the wikipedia page(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_India) and this http://codeformumbai.org/ http://codeformumbai.org/ . But i think it's time for india to revise it's policies from purely caste based towards purely economy based. And indeed there are some changes on that regards (called creamy layer OBCs) see here . http://obcreservation.net/ver2/forum/6-ncl-what/2104-who-are-covered-under-creamy-layer-of-obc-quota.html http://obcreservation.net/ver2/forum/6-ncl-what/2104-who-are...
anoncow 13y ago
>Caste quotas seem like they would only strengthen the system... Actually they do. Some of my friends have come through quotas and they are no different when it comes to results. Some come from dire economic circumstances and I am happy that the quota system benefits them. They are no different because even with quotas they have to prepare and get somewhat decent marks in the exams. I agree though that these exams become insanely difficult for the general category students. Most people have enough potential to become a doctor or an engineer, so the quality isn't affected, in my opinion. The problem comes in because seats in colleges for medicine/engg are few and the quota system irks the general category students who do not get in despite the hardwork. The solution is to have more seats, with quality control else quality will suffer. For eg. District hospitals should have a medical college and seat selling in private colleges should be curbed. If there were enough seats for everything, students wouldn't have to worry about what they can get into and instead would have thought about what they want to get into.

saraid216 13y ago

Why would an "economic-only pyramid" be a better thing? It's not obvious to me that this is an easier goal than not having a pyramid at all.

known 13y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triarchy_%28theory%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triarchy_%28theory%29
- saraid216 13y ago
  That was almost an answer except in how it wasn't remotely an answer. Are you trying to say that plutocratic authoritarianism is the only reasonable way to run thing?

known 13y ago

Afraid to take your Caste share of land and build your own nation as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_Award https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communal_Award