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There are many problems with this benchmark, as discussed here: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1e2jhr/dart_vs_java_the_deltablue_benchmark/c9wloq3

by dvt 13y ago

There are many problems with this benchmark, as discussed here: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1e2jhr/dart_vs_java_the_deltablue_benchmark/c9wloq3 http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1e2jhr/dart_vs_... IMO DeltaBlue is a terrible benchmark typology anyway. Benchmarks have to be localized for them to mean anything; and even then, they don't mean much 90% of the time. Dart's pretty neat (editing a book about it atm), but this kind of language zealotry is just silly. Dart is hardly a silver bullet. And many of the truly interesting features (mixins, isolates, fancier mirrors) are yet to be implemented or incomplete. Definitely keep an eye out for Dart, but don't fall all over yourself thinking that it outperforms Java (whatever that even means).

bad_user 13y ago
The comment linked on Reddit by parent is by Charles Nutter, of JRuby fame.
mda 13y ago
Why do you think this is language zealotry? I am very interested in a language that gives benefits of dynamic languages and speed of statically typed ones. So benchmarks like this are important and I wish more of the octane benchmark was also ported to Java and pitted against dart for comparison. Also check this one: http://dartogreniyorum.blogspot.ch/2013/05/performance-optimization-and-dart.html http://dartogreniyorum.blogspot.ch/2013/05/performance-optim... and later with Simd: http://dartogreniyorum.blogspot.ch/2013/05/dart-beats-java-in-numerical-computing.html http://dartogreniyorum.blogspot.ch/2013/05/dart-beats-java-i... Btw, I think even with the modifications made to Java version mentioned in the link you gave, I think latest version of dart now beats Java. Edit: Author of blog post also compared Richards and Tracer benchmarks: http://bonovox.be/blog/dart-vs-java-richards-and-tracer/ http://bonovox.be/blog/dart-vs-java-richards-and-tracer/
xxgreg 13y ago
Sure, take all benchmarks with a grain of salt. However it's worth noting that deltablue has been used to benchmark polymorphism in Smalltalk, Self, the JVM, and V8. Some of Nickolay's numbers are from a version of the code written at Sun labs, presumably for the very purpose of benchmarking the JVM. I think it's safe to conclude that in many cases the DartVM already performs similarly to the JVM, albeit with a much better start up time. Charles Nutter has some interesting follow up comments here: http://blog.headius.com/2013/05/on-languages-vms-optimization-and-way.html http://blog.headius.com/2013/05/on-languages-vms-optimizatio... Basically concluding that it's not static typing that matters, but predictable types.

by dvt 13y ago

bad_user 13y ago

The comment linked on Reddit by parent is by Charles Nutter, of JRuby fame.

mda 13y ago

Why do you think this is language zealotry? I am very interested in a language that gives benefits of dynamic languages and speed of statically typed ones. So benchmarks like this are important and I wish more of the octane benchmark was also ported to Java and pitted against dart for comparison. Also check this one: http://dartogreniyorum.blogspot.ch/2013/05/performance-optimization-and-dart.html http://dartogreniyorum.blogspot.ch/2013/05/performance-optim... and later with Simd: http://dartogreniyorum.blogspot.ch/2013/05/dart-beats-java-in-numerical-computing.html http://dartogreniyorum.blogspot.ch/2013/05/dart-beats-java-i... Btw, I think even with the modifications made to Java version mentioned in the link you gave, I think latest version of dart now beats Java. Edit: Author of blog post also compared Richards and Tracer benchmarks: http://bonovox.be/blog/dart-vs-java-richards-and-tracer/ http://bonovox.be/blog/dart-vs-java-richards-and-tracer/

xxgreg 13y ago

Sure, take all benchmarks with a grain of salt. However it's worth noting that deltablue has been used to benchmark polymorphism in Smalltalk, Self, the JVM, and V8. Some of Nickolay's numbers are from a version of the code written at Sun labs, presumably for the very purpose of benchmarking the JVM. I think it's safe to conclude that in many cases the DartVM already performs similarly to the JVM, albeit with a much better start up time. Charles Nutter has some interesting follow up comments here: http://blog.headius.com/2013/05/on-languages-vms-optimization-and-way.html http://blog.headius.com/2013/05/on-languages-vms-optimizatio... Basically concluding that it's not static typing that matters, but predictable types.