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>Musk had very little to do with PayPal. That's rather inaccurate. Musk's company was X.com and Thiel/Levchin/Noseks's was called Confinity. They had a 50/50 m
by wamatt 13y ago
>Musk had very little to do with PayPal.
That's rather inaccurate. Musk's company was X.com and Thiel/Levchin/Noseks's was called Confinity. They had a 50/50 merger in early 2000, and at first the new company was called X.com.
Furthermore, Confinity[1] was doing Palm Pilot payments under the PayPal brand[2], while X.com was working on internet money transmission over email. Which idea was more useful in the long run? (hint: if you chose Palm Pilot's - you're wrong)
Much of the disinformation stems from a book called the "The Paypal Wars" written by a Thiel fanboy, that is embarrassingly biased. Musk writes:
"The only negativity in recent years was due to a book called The PayPal Wars, written by a sycophantic jackass called Eric Jackson. This guy was one notch above an intern at PayPal in the first few years of the company, but gives the impression he was a key player and privy to all the high level discussions. Eric couldn't find a real publisher, so Peter funded Eric to self-publish the book. Since Eric worships Peter, the outcome was obvious - Peter sounds like Mel Gibson in Braveheart and my role is somewhere between negligible and a bad seed. However, to his credit, Peter didn't realize the book would be as bad as it was and apologized to me personally at a Room 9 board meeting at David Sacks's home in LA."[3]
Post-merger it's hard to say who did what exactly, and Levchin for example was instrumental in Paypal's anti-fraud system, a key development that allowed the company to navigate around a potentially ruinous situation.
The bottom line is, 3 hyper-smart guys (Thiel, Levchin and Nosek), don't give away essentially 50% of their shares to some someone else (X.com) on a whim. This was a calculated and deliberate decision. Similarly, it's unlikely Musk would have succeeded alone either, and thus why they are all called co-founders of PayPal, Inc.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confinity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confinity
[2] http://www.halplotkin.com/cnbcs029.htm http://www.halplotkin.com/cnbcs029.htm
[3] http://gawker.com/230076/an-alternate-history-according-to-elon-musk* http://gawker.com/230076/an-alternate-history-according-to-e...
- encoderer 13y agoMy knowledge of this comes directly from the Levchin interview in Founders at Work by YC's own Jessica Livingston. I consider that a primary source. Regarding the name, PayPal the product -- which included a web app and not just the Palm Pilot product -- launched before the merger. I remember evaluating both x.com and paypal when I was in high school selling computer parts on auction -- at Haggle.com. Finally, starting your comment with "Sigh, blah blah middlebrow blah blah" just kind of makes you seem.... yeah.
- enraged_camel 13y agoSo wait... Levchin counts as a primary source but Musk doesn't? It must be fun to give more weight to the side you support.
- encoderer 13y ago> So wait... Levchin counts as a primary source but Musk doesn't? > It must be fun to give more weight to the side you support. No, actually an interview with Musk is a primary source, too. You realize "primary source" is an actual thing and not just something I made up? Are you trolling or just being argumentative for no reason?