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Here is his quote: "F* a boston bomb wait till u see the s* I do, I’m be famous rapping, and beat every murder charge that comes across me!" You're telling me

by fixxer 13y ago

Here is his quote: "F* a boston bomb wait till u see the s* I do, I’m be famous rapping, and beat every murder charge that comes across me!" You're telling me this is intelligent? You think this is free speech? The punishment, in this case, should be community service with victims of the Boston bombing. I'm not saying this kid doesn't have potential, but putting that online shows a lack of sense and/or empathy. He can learn that while helping people who have lost limbs. Prison time is rediculous, I'll agree (as I did in my previous post)... still think he's an idiot, though, and this is not a free speech issue that I'm going to defend. We have bigger problems here in the States, Mike.

Intermernet 13y ago
They're lyrics. Admittedly puerile and tasteless, but every lyricists from Shakespeare to Springsteen (and lots of others that don't alliterate as well) can be accused of stupid lyrics in at least some of their works. I don't like blanket value judgements of people's intelligence based on a ridiculously small sample group of their behaviours. It's sensationalist, reactionary and half of what I see wrong with society. EDIT: I'd also like to say that you, sir, are responsible for one of my favourite HN comments in the last few weeks (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5702566 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5702566). I beleive that made me giggle while drinking tea, and almost burnt my sinuses :-)
- fixxer 13y ago
  What is more wrong with society, in my opinion, is that we interpret "the right to free speech" as "the right to say nonsense". You can call his words whatever you want. I'm not signing a petition or going to war to protect Cammy Dee. This is not free speech. I'll save my energy for Ai Weiwei, EDIT: Thanx!
  - icebraining 13y ago
    This is not free speech "Free" is not a characteristic of the content of the speech; it's a characteristic of the consequences of such speech. You're right that this speech wasn't free, but that's because the kid's in jail, not because it's "nonsense". What is more wrong with society, in my opinion, is that we interpret "the right to free speech" as "the right to say nonsense". When you say that some speech doesn't deserve freedom because it's "nonsense", you give those who want to silence speech an easy way - just label it as "nonsense". And after all, ideological dissent is almost by definition "nonsense" to those who believe in the status quo.
    - fixxer 13y ago
      By "nonsense", I mean inflammatory speech with no defined purpose. I base this on social norms because this is a society. I get the argument you're trying to make. 99% of the time, I'd roll with you. The real exercise of free speech in this whole thing is our dialogue, which I will fight for. I'm not going to fight for Cammy Dee, however.

by fixxer 13y ago

Intermernet 13y ago

They're lyrics. Admittedly puerile and tasteless, but every lyricists from Shakespeare to Springsteen (and lots of others that don't alliterate as well) can be accused of stupid lyrics in at least some of their works. I don't like blanket value judgements of people's intelligence based on a ridiculously small sample group of their behaviours. It's sensationalist, reactionary and half of what I see wrong with society. EDIT: I'd also like to say that you, sir, are responsible for one of my favourite HN comments in the last few weeks (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5702566 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5702566). I beleive that made me giggle while drinking tea, and almost burnt my sinuses :-)

fixxer 13y ago
What is more wrong with society, in my opinion, is that we interpret "the right to free speech" as "the right to say nonsense". You can call his words whatever you want. I'm not signing a petition or going to war to protect Cammy Dee. This is not free speech. I'll save my energy for Ai Weiwei, EDIT: Thanx!
- icebraining 13y ago
  This is not free speech "Free" is not a characteristic of the content of the speech; it's a characteristic of the consequences of such speech. You're right that this speech wasn't free, but that's because the kid's in jail, not because it's "nonsense". What is more wrong with society, in my opinion, is that we interpret "the right to free speech" as "the right to say nonsense". When you say that some speech doesn't deserve freedom because it's "nonsense", you give those who want to silence speech an easy way - just label it as "nonsense". And after all, ideological dissent is almost by definition "nonsense" to those who believe in the status quo.
  - fixxer 13y ago
    By "nonsense", I mean inflammatory speech with no defined purpose. I base this on social norms because this is a society. I get the argument you're trying to make. 99% of the time, I'd roll with you. The real exercise of free speech in this whole thing is our dialogue, which I will fight for. I'm not going to fight for Cammy Dee, however.