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New Kinect will sense more detail, heartbeat and minuscule shifts
- omnibobble 13y agoIt sounds like it'll have higher resolution. Exciting to think what developers will do do once we get our hands on it.
- jamesbritt 13y agoI'm hoping there will be the same OSS code and drivers as there are for the current XBox 360 Kinect.
- Karunamon 13y agoHuge boon for those of us with smaller rooms too - the Wired writeup making the rounds has a 6' tall guy standing 3' from the sensor and having room to spare. That's my one gripe with the Kinect right now, it just needs too much darn space to work well as a gaming platform.
- sjtrny 13y agoIt definitely does have a higher resolution, an just as importantly it has lower noise because it has switched from structured IR to TOF. It also doesn't seem to suffer from the shadowing issues of the previous version. Kotaku have a great video of it in action and walthrough the new features: http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/05/kinect-2-full-video-walkthrough-the-xbox-sees-you-like-never-before/ http://www.kotaku.com.au/2013/05/kinect-2-full-video-walkthr...
- mhb 13y agoYou're saying it uses time-of-flight of light? Do you have more information about that because it seems awfully unlikely.
- modeless 13y agoIt does seem unlikely, doesn't it? Nevertheless it's true: we now have the ability to build cameras that measure the distance to each pixel by timing laser light bounces. Intel sells one too: http://forum.libcinder.org/topic/future-is-here-time-of-flight-camera-for-150-from-intel-with-sdk http://forum.libcinder.org/topic/future-is-here-time-of-flig... http://www.interhacktive.org/1/post/2013/01/intel-creative-depth-camera-teardown.html http://www.interhacktive.org/1/post/2013/01/intel-creative-d...
- vanderZwan 13y agoThe fact that that's possible at the scale of what appears to be centimeters is mindblowing.
- sjtrny 13y agoNot visible light but infrared
- evan_ 13y agoYeah, that's what I was thinking too- but apparently the tech's been around for awhile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-of-flight_camera http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-of-flight_camera
- liuliu 13y agothe tech is around, but at very high price (a normal pointing laser costs 2k~3k, a proper lidar costs 30k to 70k). I think that is what the parent comment means "very unlikely".
- Maxious 13y agoThe Intel Time of Flight SDK camera is $150 http://forum.libcinder.org/topic/future-is-here-time-of-flight-camera-for-150-from-intel-with-sdk http://forum.libcinder.org/topic/future-is-here-time-of-flig...
- mistercow 13y agoHow does using TOF instead of IR prevent shadowing? Unless it can see through you, it's still just going to have a single depth map producing gaps wherever it can't see, right?
- sjtrny 13y agoA mistake I made in my excitement. TOF and structured light can both produce shadow regions of the depth map if set up like the previous kinect. What it looks like they have done is to switch the places of the RGB camera and the IR projector, which reduces the shadowing effect. Here's a Skitch of what I am talking about: http://i.imgur.com/y6VkRBm.png http://i.imgur.com/y6VkRBm.png.
- bx_ 13y agoPress 'A' to go forward, Press 'B' to go back. [A] You hesitated there. Are you sure? ... [A] I can sense you're worried, would you like to talk about it?
- kibibu 13y agoValve were looking at heart rate sensing as an additional input to their Director AI system (that adapts the entire game experience in Left 4 Dead and its sequel based on skill and other factors).
- benjarrell 13y agoLook, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
- nitrogen 13y agoIt might help if you added the 2001 citation. Knowing the line was spoken by an actively hostile computer makes it even more relevant to the article.
- AutocorrectThis 13y agoThe medical applications of this will be wide, with a heart rate monitor, the wide angle and being able to detect old people falling etc. I hope they release the PC drivers and sell a standalone Kinect 2.0 as soon as this hits the market.
- iamshs 13y agoI think standalone Kinect, compatible with Windows PC is coming. This will be huge, I agree. http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4353868/microsofts-new-kinect-will-be-coming-to-windows http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/4353868/microsofts-new-kin...
- sjtrny 13y agoFor more detail on how the heartbeat detection works read "Eulerian Video Magnification for Revealing Subtle Changes in the World" http://people.csail.mit.edu/mrub/vidmag/ http://people.csail.mit.edu/mrub/vidmag/
- jared314 13y agoI wonder if it is using Eulerian Video Magnification[0] or something custom to do the pulse and motion detection. [0] http://people.csail.mit.edu/mrub/vidmag/ http://people.csail.mit.edu/mrub/vidmag/
- corprew 13y agoyou can detect heartbeats in infrared light easily, no fancy processing required -- see http://www.google.com/patents/WO2004078028A2?cl=en http://www.google.com/patents/WO2004078028A2?cl=en and http://www2.ece.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/Outreachfiles/PulseDetector.pdf http://www2.ece.ohio-state.edu/~anderson/Outreachfiles/Pulse... for examples.
- vanderZwan 13y agoDoesn't that mean it should be possible with the current Kinect as well?
- hkmurakami 13y agoThe fact that we can get all this for a few hundred bucks sends chills down my spine. I think even the most diehare pessimists among us can agree that this is an amazing feat and that while we sometimes end up with "140 characters", we also get amazing things as a result of our efforts.
- sigkill 13y agoAnd something even crazier is that a hundred bucks today is nowhere as near valuable as one from even two console generations ago.
- richardw 13y agoI'm hoping this will won't be as accessible to the security services and hackers as normal communications seem to be. What are the chances our heartbeats and small movements won't be interesting to big brother? When the red light goes on, stop having sex in the TV room. Or hey, install a Kinect in the bedroom and get a rating afterwards.
- BHSPitMonkey 13y agoI'm pretty sure you could detect that with any old camera sensor, no pulse detection necessary.
- timthorn 13y agoPulse detection doesn't need HD - it can work with fairly cheap sensors.
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- nitrogen 13y agoIf the rumors that the Xbox One won't power on without the Kinect attached are true, it'll be difficult to convince people to part with their used New Kinects for more interesting purposes. I do look forward to seeing what can be done with the higher resolution, and especially, the higher field of view. My own application of the old Kinect, home automation, would benefit greatly from a wider FOV. Ditching the tilt motor was a good idea; I have to tell my customers to mount the Kinect without the tilt motor anyway due to stability issues. I don't look forward to a day when everyone has Fahrenheit 451 full-wall screens (Illumiroom) combined with 1984-style monitoring capabilities (Kinect, PS Eye, smart TVs with built-in cameras). All the awesome things being done with modern technology and machine learning could be done on local CPUs without dialing home. I have to say I'm disappointed, although I'm not sure whether I'm more disappointed by technology companies for centralizing information gathering, or by the fact that my junior high librarian told me to read these books, making me aware of the dystopian possibilities.
- Torn 13y agoAre you saying the new kinect offloads the image processing stuff to a cloud somewhere, like with Siri? That's absolutely frightening. Related: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/05/the_eyes_and_ea.html http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/05/the_eyes_and_e...
- sjtrny 13y agoThis seems incorrect. The xbox has more than enough processing power to handle the tasks locally.
- Qworg 13y agoThe new Kinect has been reported to have all of the processing it needs internally - and a 2 GB/s data link to push it all down. I'm really excited to see what price point this comes in at.
- nitrogen 13y agoNo, that was just a general reference to current cloud-based trends.
- ValentineC 13y agoSlightly irrelevant, but I immediately thought of this CollegeHumor video sketch about a self-aware Kinect when I read the article: http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6452454/kinect-self-awareness-hack http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6452454/kinect-self-awaren...
- uptown 13y agoAnybody else uncomfortable putting an always-on, always listening for a command, internet-connected device with a camera and 3D mapping device with this sensitivity in your living room? It's literally beyond the telescreen technology described in 1984. Cool - sure ... but jeez, it requires an awful lot of trust with whoever is on the receiving end of all of that data.
- nivla 13y agoYes I feel uncomfortable enough with my current Kinect that I have it disconnected until needed. However, thinking about it, Siri and Google Now isn't that far either. The leap towards this technology was eventually bound to happen and is unavoidable but what matters is where the data is gathered, processed and stored. Within the device or in the cloud?
- uptown 13y agoI think the distinction between something like Siri and this is that this thing constantly has a live mic listening for a keyword, while Siri is completely reactive to intentional voice input. I guess Google Now is a bit more perceptually-aware, but that's based on data you've already implicitly granted them access to through signing up for their services and feeding those services data. I realize that aspects of this are the same - but video data of my living room and voice recordings of everything in my house feels FAR more personal to me than the emails in my inbox or something on my calendar. It's not really a stretch to think that that capability provided by the XBOX ONE and Kinect 2 could be used for both good and evil. Same for Google Glass - it's always waiting for your "Ok Glass" trigger - but also processing everything else to see if it that keyword is said. It's important to know where the data is being processed - but the courts have been pretty forgiving to companies that have overstepped their data-collection boundaries --- and even when they've had to pay a penalty, it's never come close to what I'd consider crippling to the point where they'd never make a similar "mistake" again if it were in the best interests of growing their business.
- andyhmltn 13y agoYes. I'm not usually that fussed with privacy. Well, not as much as everyone else. But this is the thing that's stopping me wanting an Xbox One. Even if the logs were never looked at or opened, it's incredibly unnerving to know there is a 24-hour 3d scan complete with video and audio sat on a server somewhere.
- nano111 13y agoyou are always looking right before turning right...