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I'm in for $65, because I've run out of patience with everyone wisely nodding caution and not trying to solve the problem themselves. Like a lot of metabolical

by Eliezer 13y ago

I'm in for $65, because I've run out of patience with everyone wisely nodding caution and not trying to solve the problem themselves. Like a lot of metabolically disadvantaged people, I feel betrayed and tossed off a cliff by a society that doesn't understand and doesn't care. You want to know how desperate we are? Read this: http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=35552 http://www.shaman-australis.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=35... That's the next alternative if Soylent doesn't work. Now either offer a design for a better food replacement, or shut up and get out of the way.

GuiA 13y ago
I'm confused by what you're trying to protest/demand. What's "metabolically disadvantaged"? Are you suffering from a medical condition for which no satisfactory diet (in the proper sense of the term) has been developed? I'm not sure I have all the background information necessary to properly understand all the intricacies of what the OP in the link you posted is describing; but it sounds like what he's going through is complex enough that it probably won't solved by something as straightforward as Soylent (which is basically "let's take everything current science says your body needs, and mash it all together in one solution"). Any light you can shed on this for the non-initiated would be appreciated :)
- enraged_camel 13y ago
  >>What's "metabolically disadvantaged"? Are you suffering from a medical condition for which no satisfactory diet (in the proper sense of the term) has been developed? In the vast majority of cases, "metabolically disadvantaged" means "lazy and sedentary" without actually taking the responsibility for it. It's similar to blaming one's obesity on "genetics" or "body shape" or being "big-boned." (The last one is especially funny. Guess why your bones are big. It's because they have to carry all your fat!)
abstractbill 13y ago
Hear hear. I resent having to frequently stop what I'm doing - what I'm really excited about - to spend time attending to the endless whining of my body. And I resent even more the things my body does if I don't give in and feed it perfectly every damn time (so far, gastric ulcers and frequent heartburn). Food currently sucks. It could be so much better. It could "just work". I'm also in for $65.
aarondf 13y ago
Same, in for $65. As a type one diabetic if 80% of meals were the exact same, my long term health prospects would be brighter. Here's to hoping!
jckt 13y ago
Do you mind explaining why Soylent is the solution for metabolically disadvantaged people as opposed to a "traditionally balanced diet"?
- tinco 13y ago
  Because the idea of being being metabolically disadvantaged is that you can't eat a traditionally balanced diet. Soylent has none of the complex/unnecessary/unhealthy chemical substances tradional diets (milk,bread,nuts,fish) have that are the frequent object of intolerances.
  - dragonwriter 13y ago
    > Soylent has none of the complex/unnecessary/unhealthy chemical substances tradional diets (milk,bread,nuts,fish) have that are the frequent object of intolerances. One of the key "milk" allergies is allergy to whey, which from what has been posted in this thread is the protein source for Soylent..
    - tinco 13y ago
      Oh I thought people were mostly lactose intolerant. I guess you're right, but the nice thing about Soylent is that you can actually replace ingredients rather easily. In his blogs he mentioned that in his head this could ultimately be a drink tailormade for your specific needs, so someone with whey allergy could swap the whey proteins for meat or fish proteins (if those are readibly available at all)
      - dragonwriter 13y ago
        > Oh I thought people were mostly lactose intolerant. People (and, really, adult mammals that aren't humans of European descent) mostly are lactose intolerant, which is a non-immune issue (and thus not an allergy.) Milk allergies (allergies to one or more of whey, cassein, or other milk proteins) are a different issue, but also a real thing.
  - 13y ago
DanielStraight 13y ago
I appreciate what you're saying, but to be fair to those criticizing, this isn't the problem Solyent is advertised as solving. The stated problem that Soylent is advertised as solving is "food is a hassle", and it is also alleged to provide benefits for health and the environment. It's also being advertised as "perfectly balanced", "automatically [putting] you at an optimal weight", and "[improving] your focus and cognition". These are the claims that people are criticizing, not it's suitability as a last resort. If Soylent's message was "here's a better option for those who are desperate", I'm confident the responses would be less critical.
- Paul_D_Santana 13y ago
  I'm more interested in seeing Soylent succeed as a benefit to people around the globe who literally cannot afford (or don't have access to) a proper healthy diet.
  - genwin 13y ago
    Then let the population double again. Make larger Soylent factories. Repeat until all joy in life is gone.
    - knowtheory 13y ago
      This post adds nothing to this conversation, and additionally makes some very controversial assumptions. Pretty disappointing.
      - genwin 13y ago
        It makes an important point actually. Using joyless Soylent to alleviate lack of good diet leads to a larger population joylessly depending on Soylent. The situation is worsened.
  - knowtheory 13y ago
    How does this benefit people around the globe who can't afford or don't have access to a proper healthy diet? Why don't we instead give money to the sensible things that the WHO does, like genetic engineering probiotic yogurts which produce all of the essential vitamines that humans need (which is something WHO has funded).
nazgulnarsil 13y ago
Low satiety liquid calories will not help people control their weight. It's been tried a million times in various permutations (slim fast is a thing, so are medical nutrient replacements). I'd stake my life savings on it. I did try to solve the same problem the Soylent guy is solving, it's on LW under "I hate preparing food". I think I did a better job.

by Eliezer 13y ago

GuiA 13y ago

I'm confused by what you're trying to protest/demand. What's "metabolically disadvantaged"? Are you suffering from a medical condition for which no satisfactory diet (in the proper sense of the term) has been developed? I'm not sure I have all the background information necessary to properly understand all the intricacies of what the OP in the link you posted is describing; but it sounds like what he's going through is complex enough that it probably won't solved by something as straightforward as Soylent (which is basically "let's take everything current science says your body needs, and mash it all together in one solution"). Any light you can shed on this for the non-initiated would be appreciated :)

enraged_camel 13y ago
>>What's "metabolically disadvantaged"? Are you suffering from a medical condition for which no satisfactory diet (in the proper sense of the term) has been developed? In the vast majority of cases, "metabolically disadvantaged" means "lazy and sedentary" without actually taking the responsibility for it. It's similar to blaming one's obesity on "genetics" or "body shape" or being "big-boned." (The last one is especially funny. Guess why your bones are big. It's because they have to carry all your fat!)

abstractbill 13y ago

Hear hear. I resent having to frequently stop what I'm doing - what I'm really excited about - to spend time attending to the endless whining of my body. And I resent even more the things my body does if I don't give in and feed it perfectly every damn time (so far, gastric ulcers and frequent heartburn). Food currently sucks. It could be so much better. It could "just work". I'm also in for $65.

aarondf 13y ago

Same, in for $65. As a type one diabetic if 80% of meals were the exact same, my long term health prospects would be brighter. Here's to hoping!

jckt 13y ago

Do you mind explaining why Soylent is the solution for metabolically disadvantaged people as opposed to a "traditionally balanced diet"?

tinco 13y ago
Because the idea of being being metabolically disadvantaged is that you can't eat a traditionally balanced diet. Soylent has none of the complex/unnecessary/unhealthy chemical substances tradional diets (milk,bread,nuts,fish) have that are the frequent object of intolerances.
- dragonwriter 13y ago
  > Soylent has none of the complex/unnecessary/unhealthy chemical substances tradional diets (milk,bread,nuts,fish) have that are the frequent object of intolerances. One of the key "milk" allergies is allergy to whey, which from what has been posted in this thread is the protein source for Soylent..
  - tinco 13y ago
    Oh I thought people were mostly lactose intolerant. I guess you're right, but the nice thing about Soylent is that you can actually replace ingredients rather easily. In his blogs he mentioned that in his head this could ultimately be a drink tailormade for your specific needs, so someone with whey allergy could swap the whey proteins for meat or fish proteins (if those are readibly available at all)
    - dragonwriter 13y ago
      > Oh I thought people were mostly lactose intolerant. People (and, really, adult mammals that aren't humans of European descent) mostly are lactose intolerant, which is a non-immune issue (and thus not an allergy.) Milk allergies (allergies to one or more of whey, cassein, or other milk proteins) are a different issue, but also a real thing.
- 13y ago

DanielStraight 13y ago

I appreciate what you're saying, but to be fair to those criticizing, this isn't the problem Solyent is advertised as solving. The stated problem that Soylent is advertised as solving is "food is a hassle", and it is also alleged to provide benefits for health and the environment. It's also being advertised as "perfectly balanced", "automatically [putting] you at an optimal weight", and "[improving] your focus and cognition". These are the claims that people are criticizing, not it's suitability as a last resort. If Soylent's message was "here's a better option for those who are desperate", I'm confident the responses would be less critical.

Paul_D_Santana 13y ago
I'm more interested in seeing Soylent succeed as a benefit to people around the globe who literally cannot afford (or don't have access to) a proper healthy diet.
- genwin 13y ago
  Then let the population double again. Make larger Soylent factories. Repeat until all joy in life is gone.
  - knowtheory 13y ago
    This post adds nothing to this conversation, and additionally makes some very controversial assumptions. Pretty disappointing.
    - genwin 13y ago
      It makes an important point actually. Using joyless Soylent to alleviate lack of good diet leads to a larger population joylessly depending on Soylent. The situation is worsened.
- knowtheory 13y ago
  How does this benefit people around the globe who can't afford or don't have access to a proper healthy diet? Why don't we instead give money to the sensible things that the WHO does, like genetic engineering probiotic yogurts which produce all of the essential vitamines that humans need (which is something WHO has funded).

nazgulnarsil 13y ago

Low satiety liquid calories will not help people control their weight. It's been tried a million times in various permutations (slim fast is a thing, so are medical nutrient replacements). I'd stake my life savings on it. I did try to solve the same problem the Soylent guy is solving, it's on LW under "I hate preparing food". I think I did a better job.