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I don't have a scientific background but I still manage to do okay choosing my own food at the grocery store. Soylent doesn't have to be the pinnacle of human n

by pogden 13y ago

I don't have a scientific background but I still manage to do okay choosing my own food at the grocery store. Soylent doesn't have to be the pinnacle of human nutrition, it just has to be better than burritos and ramen and freezer pizza.

w1ntermute 13y ago
> I still manage to do okay choosing my own food at the grocery store That's because the FDA regulates food. Read The Jungle[0] if you want to know how things were before the FDA existed. These guys need to understand that biotech is nothing like tech and shut this shit down before they kill someone. There's a good reason why you don't see uneducated teenagers "disrupting" the food and drug industries. This isn't like creating Tumblr. 0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle
- vecinu 13y ago
  I completely agree with your sentiment.
- javert 13y ago
  > Read The Jungle[0] if you want to know how things were before the FDA existed. Yeah, because before 1906, people were constantly dying from bad food. There wasn't any safe food to eat. In the whole world. For all of history. Until the FDA came along to save us in 1906. I mean, it's demonstrably true that people aren't capable of caring for themselves. We need the government for force us to take care of ourselves. P.S. The Jungle is a piece of left-wing propoganda.
  - cmccabe 13y ago
    Wow, the depths of ignorance in this post are truly shocking. Even holocaust deniers or creationists have more of a leg to stand on than you do. Grow up a little, read some history, and learn what people used to put in food back when they could. And in some parts of the world, still do... melamine in baby formula is nothing compared to what used to go on.
    - javert 13y ago
      There are viable solutions to food safety that don't involve government men with guns.
    - aclevernickname 13y ago
      In light of the parent post, I propose that Godwin's Law be extended to all mentions of the Holocaust. we have maybe 5 years before the last of the survivors die of old age, so I think it's safe that anyone bringing up 70+ spectres are not contributing much to a conversation.
- vidarh 13y ago
  Nice strawman. It's great that there's restrictions preventing dangerous stuff from being put into food. But the issue here is not being able to avoid dangerous substances, but whether or not Soylent is sufficient. You're deflecting the discussion onto something entirely different. Unless you are claiming that these guys are likely to put dangerous, non-FDA approved substances in their product? The comment you respond to makes the point that while there's plenty of possibilities for dangerously deficient diets at any grocery store, and lot of people do choose diets - from regular grocery stores - that are extremely limited, most of us do ok. And that is what Soylent needs to match or beat in order to avoid doing harm. The bar is extremely low considering some of the stuff I've survived on for extensive periods of time, and the type of diets I see others manage on. That's not to say that they shouldn't aim higher, but there are a lot of people here that seems to be completely oblivious to just how shitty diets a lot of people live on. That said, I think their marketing claims are well in excess of what they have evidence for, and it saddens me a bit that they feel that hyperbole is necessary. I also hope they put a lot more effort into testing.
- papsosouid 13y ago
  >That's because the FDA regulates food. Which is precisely the reason your fear-mongering is nonsense. The FDA isn't going to suddenly disappear because these guys are selling the same thing tons of other companies sell: meal replacement shake mix.
Zimahl 13y ago
The difference is that the burritos, ramen, and freezer pizza don't make claims about being "perfectly balanced and optimized for your body and lifestyle, meaning it automatically puts you at an optimal weight, makes you feel full, and improves your focus and cognition."
dragonwriter 13y ago
> Soylent doesn't have to be the pinnacle of human nutrition, it just has to be better than burritos and ramen and freezer pizza. People who care to do better than burritos and ramen and freezer pizza already can do better than burritos and ramen and freezer pizza with minimal effort. So, no, I don't think that the bar Soylent needs to pass to be offering an improvement over current options is quite that low.

by pogden 13y ago

w1ntermute 13y ago

> I still manage to do okay choosing my own food at the grocery store That's because the FDA regulates food. Read The Jungle[0] if you want to know how things were before the FDA existed. These guys need to understand that biotech is nothing like tech and shut this shit down before they kill someone. There's a good reason why you don't see uneducated teenagers "disrupting" the food and drug industries. This isn't like creating Tumblr. 0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle

vecinu 13y ago
I completely agree with your sentiment.
javert 13y ago
> Read The Jungle[0] if you want to know how things were before the FDA existed. Yeah, because before 1906, people were constantly dying from bad food. There wasn't any safe food to eat. In the whole world. For all of history. Until the FDA came along to save us in 1906. I mean, it's demonstrably true that people aren't capable of caring for themselves. We need the government for force us to take care of ourselves. P.S. The Jungle is a piece of left-wing propoganda.
- cmccabe 13y ago
  Wow, the depths of ignorance in this post are truly shocking. Even holocaust deniers or creationists have more of a leg to stand on than you do. Grow up a little, read some history, and learn what people used to put in food back when they could. And in some parts of the world, still do... melamine in baby formula is nothing compared to what used to go on.
  - javert 13y ago
    There are viable solutions to food safety that don't involve government men with guns.
  - aclevernickname 13y ago
    In light of the parent post, I propose that Godwin's Law be extended to all mentions of the Holocaust. we have maybe 5 years before the last of the survivors die of old age, so I think it's safe that anyone bringing up 70+ spectres are not contributing much to a conversation.
vidarh 13y ago
Nice strawman. It's great that there's restrictions preventing dangerous stuff from being put into food. But the issue here is not being able to avoid dangerous substances, but whether or not Soylent is sufficient. You're deflecting the discussion onto something entirely different. Unless you are claiming that these guys are likely to put dangerous, non-FDA approved substances in their product? The comment you respond to makes the point that while there's plenty of possibilities for dangerously deficient diets at any grocery store, and lot of people do choose diets - from regular grocery stores - that are extremely limited, most of us do ok. And that is what Soylent needs to match or beat in order to avoid doing harm. The bar is extremely low considering some of the stuff I've survived on for extensive periods of time, and the type of diets I see others manage on. That's not to say that they shouldn't aim higher, but there are a lot of people here that seems to be completely oblivious to just how shitty diets a lot of people live on. That said, I think their marketing claims are well in excess of what they have evidence for, and it saddens me a bit that they feel that hyperbole is necessary. I also hope they put a lot more effort into testing.
papsosouid 13y ago
>That's because the FDA regulates food. Which is precisely the reason your fear-mongering is nonsense. The FDA isn't going to suddenly disappear because these guys are selling the same thing tons of other companies sell: meal replacement shake mix.

Zimahl 13y ago

The difference is that the burritos, ramen, and freezer pizza don't make claims about being "perfectly balanced and optimized for your body and lifestyle, meaning it automatically puts you at an optimal weight, makes you feel full, and improves your focus and cognition."

dragonwriter 13y ago

> Soylent doesn't have to be the pinnacle of human nutrition, it just has to be better than burritos and ramen and freezer pizza. People who care to do better than burritos and ramen and freezer pizza already can do better than burritos and ramen and freezer pizza with minimal effort. So, no, I don't think that the bar Soylent needs to pass to be offering an improvement over current options is quite that low.