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As HarryHirsch says, no he absolutely does not have that right. Zoning is far from a new invention, it's been around since the industrial revolution at least.
by nathanstitt 13y ago
As HarryHirsch says, no he absolutely does not have that right. Zoning is far from a new invention, it's been around since the industrial revolution at least.
I'm honestly shocked that people apparently would want to live in the kind of an environment where at any second the property next door could be turned into a tannery. How could anyone have confidence in their property's value in a society where that was allowed?
- baddox 13y agoThere is more than one to solve social problems. Centralized, violent, compulsory action (government) is one way, but there are others. Opposing "the government solution" is not the same thing as denying the problem or refusing to fix it.
- namdnay 13y agoHow are zoning regulations "violent"?
- vacri 13y agoIt's a standard libertarian meme. Resist the government long enough and eventually - eventually might take years - someone wearing a gun will come and arrest you. Since they're arresting you with superior arms to the point of perhaps pointing them at you, this means doing so is violent, hence everything the government ever does is 'backed by violence', hence everything they ever do to limit you in any way is 'violen', no matter how minor that limitation might be. It's one of the more tortuous aspects of libertarian rhetoric.
- baddox 13y agoThis is one of those ideas that became a meme because it is unquestionably true. Ideas which are true tend to spread quickly. And, regarding this specific example, it's ludicrous to claim that it might take years if you violate zoning regulations. It would be more like hours.
- namdnay 13y ago> This is one of those ideas that became a meme because it is unquestionably true It sounds more like a rhetorical truism than a "true idea". Of course the police enforce the laws, that's what they're there for.
- baddox 13y ago> It sounds more like a rhetorical truism And yet, people frequently dismiss it as a "libertarian meme." One doesn't have to look far on the Internet to find someone that will deny that government enforcement of things like taxation or zoning regulations do not constitute violence.
- vacri 13y agoReally, it depends on whether you're using the English definition of 'violence' or the libertarian definition of the word.
- baddox 13y agoI'm just using the definition that seems to be the first one listed in many English dictionaries. "Violence is the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against a person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment or deprivation." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence?redirect=no http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence?redirect=no "Physical force exerted for the purpose of violating, damaging, or abusing" http://www.answers.com/topic/violence http://www.answers.com/topic/violence "exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/violence http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/violence
- vacri 13y agoYour last two definitions don't fit unless you've a priori decided any government action is abuse - which is the wrong way to define things. Your first definition is so belaboured and tortuous that it sounds like libertarians have been at it. And it's interesting to note that none of your definitions allow for natural phenomenon to be violent, yet we quite naturally talk about things like violent storms in English.
- baddox 13y agoHow are they not violent? What would happen if you really did set up a loud assembly in a Manhattan apartment?