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> The sooner people understand that anti-social behaviour is about community and not about rights the better "Anti-social" behavior according to whom and to wh
by gwgarry 13y ago
> The sooner people understand that anti-social behaviour is about community and not about rights the better
"Anti-social" behavior according to whom and to what extent and for what purpose? For the purpose of feminizing men so that they are more passive and they fit better into your ideals of who people should be? So to fit men who want to be themselves into your little cult of civility?
> I still see people confusing the two.
There is no confusion. People want to be themselves and want a culture to cater to that. Instead you want a culture that caters to your needs. Which is fine, but that is no global definition of what that is and how to implement it. The idea that everyone and every community should conform to these feminizing norms is highly flawed. And is totally arbitrary.
> Both behaviours will leave adults concluding
Massive generalization. Adults, eh? Fuck you for calling any ideals that don't conform to your to be childish.
> mates establish a norm of anti-social behaviour, you will neatly exclude large portions of the population including most women, most children and most men over 30.
The point is to appeal to your group, not to appeal to all of society. That's what religions attempt to do, and fail all the time doing. There are no ideals that fit every community or even all of society. To attempt to create such ideals is essentially social engineering. It's the purview of totalitarians.
> intelligent conversation about tech and startups
Fuck you for calling people who don't conform to your norms unintelligent.
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- scott_s 13y agoYou're new here, so you may think people are downvoting you for what you're saying. They're really downvoting you for how you say it. We try to put a premium on being civil.
- SCdF 13y agoYou're right (and it's one of the reasons I enjoy reading HN) but it's kind of ironic in this context, isn't it? We're all so good at not telling people to STFU and what-not, but we still have enumerable troubles with entire discussions not being derailed into hate-fests, albeit with some uncharacteristically (for an internet discussion) polite language. Something to think about.
- gosu 13y agoYou're right. Everything is relative and you can do whatever you want, exactly as the poster whom you've responded to but completely ignored pointed out. The point is that he's calling on people to either match his values, or else risk losing his favor and those of the communities he mentioned. You may not care much, but the evidence of the downvotes on your comment suggests that the HN community agrees with him and not you. So you may find that your message of exclusion ironically helps to effect your own exclusion from a community that you apparently care about, since you're posting here. >feminizing men The thing with edgy, weird opinions like that is that it's unlikely that you hold them because you're wiser than prevailing wisdom. Apparently, Real Men antagonise strangers over the internet.
- stackcollision 13y agoYou tried to defend yourself in this post, but I think you accidentally ended up making his point for him.
- mnicole 13y ago> For the purpose of feminizing men so that they are more passive and they fit better into your ideals of who people should be? So to fit men who want to be themselves into your little cult of civility? Grow up. > The point is to appeal to your group, not to appeal to all of society. The point is your group is flawed, and that flaw legitimately keeps newcomers out and cause well-intentioned contributors to leave. There's absolutely no reason why the community should have the stance "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen." Competition is only going to make you better. Taking the time to help someone will also help you. Having the support of your peers for being courteous does far more for you in the long-run than intimidating them into submission does. But I guess that's "feminizing men" vs. holding them accountable as not only adults but as advocates and respectable members of the community.
- DenisM 13y agoExpletives were uncalled for, judging by your comment history you can do much better than that.