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Would you like to explain what about that you find so offensive? Because that whole line of indignation really felt like so much pearl clutching to me. Dude wr

Would you like to explain what about that you find so offensive? Because that whole line of indignation really felt like so much pearl clutching to me. Dude writes really whiney content. And then there's his name. That's super unfortunate. That's not, like, a slam on his family or a dig about his person. That's just a linguistic observation. If I made compost bins, for example, that's a completely legit parallel for someone to point out, even if silly.

DanBC 13y ago
Why don't you just flag articles from his domain? Why don't you restrict yourself to commenting on the things he's sad rather than commenting on him?
- danilocampos 13y ago
  Usually I do that. Sometimes I get bored.
  - danilocampos 13y ago
    (The flagging, that is. As to talking about him, it's hard not to when his favorite subject in his writing seems to be himself, no?)
cschmidt 13y ago
I've heard people insult Dave's last name many times over the years. You are the first I've seen that meant it as Winer == Whiner. It is more commonly trying to call him a reference to the male anatomy, which is dumb and offensive. I think that's the way many would have taken your comment.
- danilocampos 13y ago
  How is it meant to be pronounced?
  - cschmidt 13y ago
    You can here him say it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Winer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Winer It is Wine-r (like the grape beverage with an r on the end)
- corin_ 13y ago
  I still don't see how that is the offensive part. Being called a penis (or any synonym) can obviously be offensive - though it can also be used in an endearing way as well - and tying that into someone's name doesn't, in my opinion, make it any better or any worse. I suppose maybe if someone called Winer has spent a lifetime listening to the same sort-of-pun then maybe the compounded effect would make it worse, but as a general rule, if that was my surname, I can't see myself caring about whether an insult connects to my surname or not, either way I'm being called a dick.
opminion 13y ago
That's not, like, a slam on his family or a dig about his person. That's just a linguistic observation It is reasonable to expect that people with that family name might think otherwise. That's why it is usually considered very bad taste to comment on people's names, even when you don't mean it that way.
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DenisM 13y ago
As a rule, never comment on something beyond persons control: age, gender, color, nationality, family name, are all off-limits. There are exceptions to the rule, but just following this rule will make a huge difference in how you appear while only losing ability to comment on 1-2% of the content when the persons immutable traits are actually relevant. It's a great tradeoff and a huge win for your image and your peers.
- corin_ 13y ago
  That rule is because people will often be upset (perhaps overly so) by people attacking these topics. Nobody was attacking his surname, and he wasn't upset by anyone mentioning his surname, he was upset by people saying he was whining. They would have been making that comment no matter what his surname is. I actually liked his piece that was submitted yesterday (and lead to all of this), but I don't get why so many people are making a big deal out of a quick throwaway joke that involved wordplay on his name. If someone mentioned to me that both my names begin with a "c", which is suitable because I'm a cunt, I'd be upset at being called a cunt, not the fact that my name was tied into that.
angersock 13y ago
Yeah, judging from just the quote, that strikes me as decent wordplay worth at least a minor chuckle. Lighten up, folks.
jerrya 13y ago
Doubled down, good for you!
Mz 13y ago
Eh, I think Mr. Winer is being hypocritical, whiney, etc. I also think folks here are right: You shouldn't take digs at a person's name. My last name sounds like a common word but is spelled differently. I briefly was in circumstances where people routinely drew that parallel. They seemed to think they were the only one clever enough to notice the similarity. Uh, no. I heard it constantly for several months. It isn't clever. Really. A five year old could do the same.
- danilocampos 13y ago
  While dozens of sanctimonious posts fall flat, yours calls me out for banality, which is an infinitely stronger argument. Well said.
davewiner 13y ago
The post was a couple of stories, combined to make a point. Nothing more than that. If you're hearing a tone, it's your head. If you were being truthful, you'd say "When I think of Dave Winer, this is how I feel..." Because that's all that's actually happening.

DanBC 13y ago

Why don't you just flag articles from his domain? Why don't you restrict yourself to commenting on the things he's sad rather than commenting on him?

danilocampos 13y ago
Usually I do that. Sometimes I get bored.
- danilocampos 13y ago
  (The flagging, that is. As to talking about him, it's hard not to when his favorite subject in his writing seems to be himself, no?)

cschmidt 13y ago

I've heard people insult Dave's last name many times over the years. You are the first I've seen that meant it as Winer == Whiner. It is more commonly trying to call him a reference to the male anatomy, which is dumb and offensive. I think that's the way many would have taken your comment.

danilocampos 13y ago
How is it meant to be pronounced?
- cschmidt 13y ago
  You can here him say it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Winer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Winer It is Wine-r (like the grape beverage with an r on the end)
corin_ 13y ago
I still don't see how that is the offensive part. Being called a penis (or any synonym) can obviously be offensive - though it can also be used in an endearing way as well - and tying that into someone's name doesn't, in my opinion, make it any better or any worse. I suppose maybe if someone called Winer has spent a lifetime listening to the same sort-of-pun then maybe the compounded effect would make it worse, but as a general rule, if that was my surname, I can't see myself caring about whether an insult connects to my surname or not, either way I'm being called a dick.

opminion 13y ago

That's not, like, a slam on his family or a dig about his person. That's just a linguistic observation It is reasonable to expect that people with that family name might think otherwise. That's why it is usually considered very bad taste to comment on people's names, even when you don't mean it that way.

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DenisM 13y ago

As a rule, never comment on something beyond persons control: age, gender, color, nationality, family name, are all off-limits. There are exceptions to the rule, but just following this rule will make a huge difference in how you appear while only losing ability to comment on 1-2% of the content when the persons immutable traits are actually relevant. It's a great tradeoff and a huge win for your image and your peers.

corin_ 13y ago
That rule is because people will often be upset (perhaps overly so) by people attacking these topics. Nobody was attacking his surname, and he wasn't upset by anyone mentioning his surname, he was upset by people saying he was whining. They would have been making that comment no matter what his surname is. I actually liked his piece that was submitted yesterday (and lead to all of this), but I don't get why so many people are making a big deal out of a quick throwaway joke that involved wordplay on his name. If someone mentioned to me that both my names begin with a "c", which is suitable because I'm a cunt, I'd be upset at being called a cunt, not the fact that my name was tied into that.

angersock 13y ago

Yeah, judging from just the quote, that strikes me as decent wordplay worth at least a minor chuckle. Lighten up, folks.

jerrya 13y ago

Doubled down, good for you!

Mz 13y ago

Eh, I think Mr. Winer is being hypocritical, whiney, etc. I also think folks here are right: You shouldn't take digs at a person's name. My last name sounds like a common word but is spelled differently. I briefly was in circumstances where people routinely drew that parallel. They seemed to think they were the only one clever enough to notice the similarity. Uh, no. I heard it constantly for several months. It isn't clever. Really. A five year old could do the same.

danilocampos 13y ago
While dozens of sanctimonious posts fall flat, yours calls me out for banality, which is an infinitely stronger argument. Well said.

davewiner 13y ago

The post was a couple of stories, combined to make a point. Nothing more than that. If you're hearing a tone, it's your head. If you were being truthful, you'd say "When I think of Dave Winer, this is how I feel..." Because that's all that's actually happening.