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Dave is the victim? "They assumed that I was being "egotistical" for thinking that Google ever cared what I thought, and arrogant that I think they should care
by Uchikoma 13y ago
Dave is the victim?
"They assumed that I was being "egotistical" for thinking that Google ever cared what I thought, and arrogant that I think they should care what I think now."
As this might be about me, as I wrote "No, it's typical for your ego."
Several years ago I've sent Dave mails with ideas, which one of them he posted without attribution or credit to his blog. With some mistakes I've made included. In an ongoing mail discussion he credited himself, including the mistakes.
About personal attacks:
The way he handled Marissa on his blog:
"All I remember of it was there came a point in the conversation when Mayer had had enough. She just got up and left. I think the people remaining in the conference room were a little embarassed."
He has no problem making people look bad, especially if it helps getting attention. Getting push back he then follows up presenting himself as the victim. He has also no problem calling other peoples assholes
"Now I think there's a solution to letting the assholes control the conversation..."
in a piece about discussion culture.
Google for "Dave Winer" returns a lot of stories that are similar. Before accepting Daves view on this, I wish people would do some research into Dave Winer.
- DanBC 13y agoHow he behaves elsewhere is not relevant to people here making direct personal insults.
- Uchikoma 13y agoI thought I'd respond to personal accusations.
- DanBC 13y agoRespond to them how you like if you're doing it there. But here? People prefer better conversation.
- Uchikoma 13y agoWe disagree that Daves established behavior in different situations is relevant to the discussion on the submission here. I think this is relevant to his comments about HN, you're not. Attacking people, getting push back, getting personal and portraying himself as a victim is a pattern that can be found over the last decade. Talking about this pattern is relevant when we discuss the behavior of HN posters here. Especially if Dave provokes this behavior in others with the goal of getting attention to himself. Then people agreeing on HN behavior in the comment of the second submission just play according to the book.
- mindcrime 13y agoGoogle for "Dave Winer" returns a lot of stories that are similar. Before accepting Daves view on this, I wish people would do some research into Dave Winer. Why? What Dave Winer does elsewhere is irrelevant to the point at hand, which is about HN commenters making personal attacks on people, being rude, and posting low quality comments.
- Uchikoma 13y ago1. See my other comment on why I think this is relevant. 2. Dave makes it look like the thread was full of personal attacks and HN is awful. Re-reading the thread, this is surely not the case.