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I think it is up to us to figure out how to make this brave new world work. As Bruce says, the real issue now is not surveillance or even information, but powe

I think it is up to us to figure out how to make this brave new world work. As Bruce says, the real issue now is not surveillance or even information, but power. Who gets to watch whom, and (of course) who watches the watchers? I see four strategies for coping with the issue of power -- 1) Default - maintain current trajectory - this is what most of us will do. 2) Withdraw - lower one's profile. This seems to be Bruce's plan. 3) Expose - bring buried secrets to light, and the watchers under surveillance. Expect harsh repercussions. The US govt has been increasingly secretive. It has been removing whistleblower protections for some years now. It has been punishing exposures of information more harshly than in the past (though I suppose the exposure of Valerie Plame might pass as an exception, unless your name is Scooter Libby.) 4) Disrupt -- frustrate the collection of information through jamming, feeding false info, deletion. But info seems to be cheap enough that bad info doesn't really hurt those using it.

sinnerswing 13y ago
> As Bruce says, the real issue now is not surveillance or even information, but power. Who gets to watch whom, and (of course) who watches the watchers? I couldn't agree more. "Fox News Reporter James Rosen’s Private Emails Given To Justice Dept. By Google" http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/local/affidavit-for-search-warrant/162/ http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/local/affidavit-for-se...
cmnzs 13y ago
I think breaking down those strategies is actually really useful. It's interesting to think of these strategies from a product development perspective as well; how will products react to new consumer strategies? 1) Default - most products will (I think) continue to collect as much data as they can 2) Withdraw - I doubt most companies will withdraw from the data collection frenzy that is the current marketplace 3) Expose - There's definitely room out there for more services that expose patterns in public data, or more mechanisms for publicizing private data (the New Yorker Strongbox, for example) 4) Disrupt - One example in this space that I love are location spoofers like MediaHint, that allow users to access content that is designed to be location-locked.
knowaveragejoe 13y ago
Additionally, we should be voting with our money on services that embrace privacy and plausible deniability as a core design tenant. Unfortunately at the moment there aren't many good examples that I'm aware of, the most noteworthy would be Mega(assuming it lives up to what they claim).
- itistoday2 13y ago
  Shameless plug re plausible deniability: http://www.espionageapp.com http://www.espionageapp.com It's nice because in the next update (to be released this month, v3.5), you'll be able to do things like encrypting your email and having it in two different versions of it (one for you, and one for those you don't want knowing what your actual email is). You can already do it in the current version, it's just not as user-friendly. It will only protect data that's kept encrypted on your local drive though, so with the example of email, it doesn't protect you from the government if your email is also stored on Google's servers.
legutierr 13y ago
There is a fifth option, which is to construct through the democratic process a new set of civil rights and policies designed to confront and limit these new powers. For example: we can seek to make it illegal for certain information to be tracked; we can require that any information collected be disclosed to the individual at risk of being tracked; we can expand fourth-amendment protections explicitly, forcing a warrant to be issued to collect any of the information made available through these systems, even if the data is stored on a corporate server (doing away with national security letters and administrative subpoenas, and prohibiting disclosure without a warrant); and we can impose criminal penalties on government and corporate officials that violate these rights. And more: we can make exposure of all but the most sensitive government "secrets" mandatory by law, rather than relying on legally questionable whistle-blowing for disclosures; we can ensure that encryption technologies (and other self-protection techniques) always remain legal, and remove any requirement that backdoors be added to new communication technology; we can work to decentralize corporate power in telecom by aggressively enforcing anti-trust laws; we can improve transparency and oversight of telecom services by explicitly encouraging that high-speed data service be provided as a local public utility. And we can reduce the incentive that exists at every level of law enforcement to undermine privacy and civil liberties (and in turn further centralize power) by making fewer things illegal--most importantly, drugs.
- sedev 13y ago
  While I'd love for those things to come to pass, it's alarming that you elide methods and obstacles entirely. The democratic process has been purchased by the entities you're proposing to regulate, and the entities that you propose enforce these new rules, are beneficiaries of the current arrangement and would be greatly inconvenienced by the changes you propose. The beneficiaries of the current arrangement will resist changes to that arrangement with utmost vigor, so it doesn't speak well of your proposal that it supposes that they will cooperate with changes that are against their interests by handwaved methods and tactics. How are you going to get from here to there?
  - legutierr 13y ago
    I think the first step towards change is to envision the world that you want, and find people that agree with that vision. And if you can't agree on everything, find that subset of policies and objectives that people can passionately agree on, and forget everything else. Then, get organized. Start by going door to door; find people who care enough about the issue to help out; have in-person meetings and events and build connections; give people the tools--online and offline--to recruit participants and stage their own meetings; orient people towards a focused set of objectives, and ask them for money to help you broadcast those ideas with counter-propoganda; ask people to contribute time and money to candidates that support those objectives; always keep everything above board, to avoid being attacked; rinse and repeat. If enough people care, you can win; if not, then maybe "money in politics" wasn't the real hurdle to reform--maybe it's just that the voters didn't want the reform you were preaching. Democracy today seems broken, like it doesn't work any more, but it's always been "broken," it's never "worked". The progressive movement and the labor movement of a century ago both fought an uphill battle against big money in politics. It took decades before they experienced lasting success. When voters want changes in government that cost profitable businesses money, a lot of those businesses will spend at least as much money as they stand to loose to prevent that change from happening. It was as true one hundred years ago as it is today. The fact is, though, that absent massive violence or election fraud (which itself is only possible when the polls are tight) with all the money in the world you still need people--individual people--to vote your way. Money in US politics has influence only insofar as it can be used to convince the masses of voters to vote a certain way. The thing is that money and propaganda have limits, especially if a message of reform resonates. That's what social movements are all about--coalescing around a message of reform that makes propaganda sound unconvincing.

sinnerswing 13y ago

> As Bruce says, the real issue now is not surveillance or even information, but power. Who gets to watch whom, and (of course) who watches the watchers? I couldn't agree more. "Fox News Reporter James Rosen’s Private Emails Given To Justice Dept. By Google" http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/local/affidavit-for-search-warrant/162/ http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/local/affidavit-for-se...

cmnzs 13y ago

I think breaking down those strategies is actually really useful. It's interesting to think of these strategies from a product development perspective as well; how will products react to new consumer strategies? 1) Default - most products will (I think) continue to collect as much data as they can 2) Withdraw - I doubt most companies will withdraw from the data collection frenzy that is the current marketplace 3) Expose - There's definitely room out there for more services that expose patterns in public data, or more mechanisms for publicizing private data (the New Yorker Strongbox, for example) 4) Disrupt - One example in this space that I love are location spoofers like MediaHint, that allow users to access content that is designed to be location-locked.

knowaveragejoe 13y ago

Additionally, we should be voting with our money on services that embrace privacy and plausible deniability as a core design tenant. Unfortunately at the moment there aren't many good examples that I'm aware of, the most noteworthy would be Mega(assuming it lives up to what they claim).

itistoday2 13y ago
Shameless plug re plausible deniability: http://www.espionageapp.com http://www.espionageapp.com It's nice because in the next update (to be released this month, v3.5), you'll be able to do things like encrypting your email and having it in two different versions of it (one for you, and one for those you don't want knowing what your actual email is). You can already do it in the current version, it's just not as user-friendly. It will only protect data that's kept encrypted on your local drive though, so with the example of email, it doesn't protect you from the government if your email is also stored on Google's servers.

legutierr 13y ago

There is a fifth option, which is to construct through the democratic process a new set of civil rights and policies designed to confront and limit these new powers. For example: we can seek to make it illegal for certain information to be tracked; we can require that any information collected be disclosed to the individual at risk of being tracked; we can expand fourth-amendment protections explicitly, forcing a warrant to be issued to collect any of the information made available through these systems, even if the data is stored on a corporate server (doing away with national security letters and administrative subpoenas, and prohibiting disclosure without a warrant); and we can impose criminal penalties on government and corporate officials that violate these rights. And more: we can make exposure of all but the most sensitive government "secrets" mandatory by law, rather than relying on legally questionable whistle-blowing for disclosures; we can ensure that encryption technologies (and other self-protection techniques) always remain legal, and remove any requirement that backdoors be added to new communication technology; we can work to decentralize corporate power in telecom by aggressively enforcing anti-trust laws; we can improve transparency and oversight of telecom services by explicitly encouraging that high-speed data service be provided as a local public utility. And we can reduce the incentive that exists at every level of law enforcement to undermine privacy and civil liberties (and in turn further centralize power) by making fewer things illegal--most importantly, drugs.

sedev 13y ago
While I'd love for those things to come to pass, it's alarming that you elide methods and obstacles entirely. The democratic process has been purchased by the entities you're proposing to regulate, and the entities that you propose enforce these new rules, are beneficiaries of the current arrangement and would be greatly inconvenienced by the changes you propose. The beneficiaries of the current arrangement will resist changes to that arrangement with utmost vigor, so it doesn't speak well of your proposal that it supposes that they will cooperate with changes that are against their interests by handwaved methods and tactics. How are you going to get from here to there?
- legutierr 13y ago
  I think the first step towards change is to envision the world that you want, and find people that agree with that vision. And if you can't agree on everything, find that subset of policies and objectives that people can passionately agree on, and forget everything else. Then, get organized. Start by going door to door; find people who care enough about the issue to help out; have in-person meetings and events and build connections; give people the tools--online and offline--to recruit participants and stage their own meetings; orient people towards a focused set of objectives, and ask them for money to help you broadcast those ideas with counter-propoganda; ask people to contribute time and money to candidates that support those objectives; always keep everything above board, to avoid being attacked; rinse and repeat. If enough people care, you can win; if not, then maybe "money in politics" wasn't the real hurdle to reform--maybe it's just that the voters didn't want the reform you were preaching. Democracy today seems broken, like it doesn't work any more, but it's always been "broken," it's never "worked". The progressive movement and the labor movement of a century ago both fought an uphill battle against big money in politics. It took decades before they experienced lasting success. When voters want changes in government that cost profitable businesses money, a lot of those businesses will spend at least as much money as they stand to loose to prevent that change from happening. It was as true one hundred years ago as it is today. The fact is, though, that absent massive violence or election fraud (which itself is only possible when the polls are tight) with all the money in the world you still need people--individual people--to vote your way. Money in US politics has influence only insofar as it can be used to convince the masses of voters to vote a certain way. The thing is that money and propaganda have limits, especially if a message of reform resonates. That's what social movements are all about--coalescing around a message of reform that makes propaganda sound unconvincing.