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NASA grants $125K to create a prototype of a universal food synthesizer

96 points by xadxad 13y ago

xadxad 13y ago
A line from the first paragraph says it all: Systems & Materials Research Corporation, just got a six month, $125,000 grant from NASA to create a prototype of his universal food synthesizer
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madaxe 13y ago
Sweet, but ending hunger is incompatible with profit, and this will therefore die a sad little death as it gets legislated into oblivion, if it gets anywhere near gaining traction (which it won't, you just know Monsanto and friends will run a massive PR campaign about how synthesised food is terrorism, GMO is freedom, etc.).
- Lexarius 13y ago
  The materials for this still need to be grown. They just have very long shelf lives.
- donohoe 13y ago
  "ending hunger is incompatible with profit" Really? I wouldn't think so. You don't just "end" something and walk away. You still need to maintain and service the issue. There is profit in that.
- tomjen3 13y ago
  Ending hunger is quite likely to lead to a nice profit as dead people don't buy anything. The only reason we haven't ended hunger yet is that the poor people are too poor and have too horrible governments to be able to produce things we value enough to buy from them.
  - madaxe 13y ago
    This isn't the view taken by the worlds agribusinesses - they want enhanced shareholder value, NOW, not in 30 years time, not in a century. It's utterly irrational, but the current global stratagem seems to be: 1) Ruin the planet 2) Profit 3) ???
m_mueller 13y ago
The author questions the tastiness of algae - I wonder whether he knows what Maki rolls are made out of. Ever tried Japanese or Korean seaweed soup? Easily one of the tastiest soups because of all the Umami flavor in Seaweed.
mistercow 13y ago
I feel like hunger is much more likely to be solved with innovative economic thinking than with innovative engineering. We should be able to grow enough food for everyone as it is. That's not really the issue. The issue is getting the economics worked out so that we do grow enough food, and so that we can distribute it to everyone who needs it without breaking all of the economies.
- kyllo 13y ago
  You are right on track with this comment, but I'd go one step further to say that we already do grow enough food. We just don't distribute it equitably, at all. The fact that hunger, malnutrition, and starvation still plague humanity, is a choice that we have made. The most powerful among us have effectively decided that not everyone deserves food.
- CapitalistCartr 13y ago
  Yes, this! People keep trying to solve a problem they don't understand, that doesn't really exist. We have enough food in the World to feed our population. Countries like North Korea, Somalia, Ethiopia, Congo have starvation problems not from a lack of food in this World but from monsters running their government that won't allow their people the freedom to live their lives. In spite of a growing population, farm land in the USA is declining. "In 1990, there were almost 987 million acres in farms in the U.S., that number was reduced to just under 943 million acres by 2000, and then reduced to 914 million acres in 2012." http://www.epa.gov/agriculture/ag101/landuse.html http://www.epa.gov/agriculture/ag101/landuse.html
  - obviouslygreen 13y ago
    Politics aside, there's an appalling amount of food waste in developed countries. It's certainly not as simple as "send all the not-pretty produce to Africa" or "ship all the no-longer-perfectly-fresh bread to North Korea," but there is a huge potential target for reducing what we throw away and getting it to people who need it. The major problem, of course, is interfering with people's lifestyles, if only in marginal ways... we as first-world countries just don't handle having our convenience messed with very well.
ccallebs 13y ago
Food sustainability is my passion area. Although the technologist in me thinks this is an awesome endeavor, the sustainability advocate in me thinks this is a step in the wrong direction. Agriculture is an area that I think needs to stay relatively low-tech. However, the cultural boundaries preventing that are pretty massive.
- zevyoura 13y ago
  Modern agriculture is very, very far from 'low-tech.'
krapp 13y ago
I wonder whether the economy involved in manufacturing these cartridges, and the printers themselves, wouldn't all but guarantee this costs more than the worlds' poor could ever afford. The article suggests they could buy the cartridges at a local store ... this assumes, first, the existence of a 'local grocery store' and, second, that they have enough money to buy the carts (and, of course, the 0th assumption that there are enough carts to stock the shelves with.) If they could do that then, presumably, they could already afford whatever else was in the store to begin with, and it would end up being cheaper for the poor who can afford them to just boil the food carts up into soup. I guarantee a synthetic food cartridge is not going to be cheaper than, say, a sack of flour or rice and beans or what have you. And if you're requiring a crowd of people to queue up at the public replicator for their three square meals a day, you've got a recipe for political disaster on your hands. Now you could couple this with some kind of government sponsored food program, so it's "free" I suppose, But what about regions without any real infrastructure, or stable governance, or even hostile governments? I'm not dismissing the idea of the printer per se, but I don't see how it solves world hunger. If NASA wants to revolutionize the quality of life in poverty-stricken areas of the world, they should focus on improving global sanitation, water quality, waste disposal, etc.
ronaldx 13y ago
Printer ink, being hugely marked-up and inefficiently wasteful, is not a good analogy for the stated goal: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/07/04/printer_ink_seven_times_more/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/07/04/printer_ink_seven_ti...
bokglobule 13y ago
Soylent green here we come... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
- codeulike 13y ago
  See also: http://www.soylent.me/ http://www.soylent.me/ TLDR: Guy is living off a drink he formulated that provides all his nutritional needs. He's three months in.
DennisP 13y ago
That looks like a perfect match for this guy's idea for efficient nutrient production, presented at Google's Solve For X: https://www.solveforx.com/moonshots/efficient-nutrition-production https://www.solveforx.com/moonshots/efficient-nutrition-prod... He thinks he can provide the protein requirements of the world's population from an area the size of Rhode Island, cheaper and healthier than agriculture.
anonymouz 13y ago
As others have pointed out, this probably won't be all that useful in solving the worlds hunger problems. I'd think the actual motivation for this (and especially for NASA to be involved) is having a durable, easy to transport yet not completely monotonous supply of food for long space flights. This is probably rather long term thinking, so "solving world hunger" is the typical feel good, not completely untrue yet slightly bullshit line you'd use to sell this as a good investment to the more short sighted "why are we spending money on X if there is still hunger/poverty/illness" crowd.
VLM 13y ago
I'd like to see a 3-d printed compost-able seed planter that holds the exact seed, the exact depth, printed with spacing (or attached to a string?) with printed fertilizer and all that. Shove this stake into the ground for a perfect "whatever" planting environment. Doesn't help with floods / droughts / windstorms / frosts but at least it would remove some planting variables.
DanI-S 13y ago
If anyone is interested by the edible insects concept touched upon here, check out our company Tiny Farms (http://www.tiny-farms.com http://www.tiny-farms.com). We're one of a handful of US companies doing real work in this area. Alongside our research, tooling and outreach work, we've actually managed to feed Dave McClure a waxworm-filled Baklava: http://www.tiny-farms.com/2013/04/tiny-farms-in-zagat/ http://www.tiny-farms.com/2013/04/tiny-farms-in-zagat/
- tomjen3 13y ago
  I suppose maybe one day we will see people eating insects as a regular part of their diet. But personally insects on food makes me vomit, not salivate.
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  - MartinCron 13y ago
    I tried to re-frame it as eating arthropods instead of eating insects. We already eat crabs and lobsters, which are just very large wet bugs.
dreadheart 13y ago
"Tea, Earl Grey, Hot"
- jessegavin 13y ago
  Was just about to write the same thing.
andrewflnr 13y ago
Someone has to ask: Is there any chance of turning feces into food with this thing? Obviously it can't supply all our needs, there's a reason we got rid of it. But for actually helping people with low resources eat, it might cut down on trips to that "corner grocery store".
X4 13y ago
In 30 Years: Son: Mum, my Food toner is empty! Mum: I'm sorry we can't afford a new one, share with your sister! Imperator: Let's invent chips for food-toners that force stupid consumers to buy new ones before their toner is actually empty! Ministers: Yes, Oh Lord! Can we also throw out a new toner model every quarter that is incompatible to the last one. Imperator: I agree my followers! Keep the technology the same, renovating our fabrics is out of question. Ministers: Oh great Imperator this is a great idea, we order it to be done by this month. Dad: Oh world, why did our Grandads trust the Sci-Fi paroles of the United Companies Associations and didn't see the slavery it brought us coming.. Grandpa: Dear son, it looked so promising and fascinating when the foundations of this technology were born. We were simply confirmed in our dreams by reality, this feeling was too strong to become aware of it's implications. I don't want to sound too skeptic, because I actually hope that they invent the universal replicator, tricorder, warp-drive, universal-translator, deflectors, AI, Isolinear-Chips, etc. but we all know it is very important when an invention is born and who is belongs to. Remember E=mc²
contingencies 13y ago
On the solving world hunger meme, check out 'Permaculture', which could be reasonably summarized as applying the same type of systematic thinking we deploy in the computer world to natural systems for the production of food, energy and other resources. This movement is fairly old (late 60s/early 70s) but is experiencing a renaissance at present. Coupled with the greater geographic reach of the internet and the cheaper price of off-grid power supplies today, it is really something many hackers might enjoy taking a look at. After all, vast expanses of natural land you can live on and still derive income (eg. with a long-haul wireless link) are undervalued by the rest of the population. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture Oh, and injecting 'nutrients' is not realistic in the range we require. For a somewhat loaded example, a typical mushroom has hundreds of organic compounds that we have no idea about, but are rapidly discovering have great benefit to us. Fungi and animalia have recently been confirmed in mainstream science to be the same evolutionary lineage; as such they possess millions of years of evolution producing great anti-bacterial and anti-cancerous properties; they can even eat radiation!

96 points by xadxad 13y ago

A line from the first paragraph says it all: Systems & Materials Research Corporation, just got a six month, $125,000 grant from NASA to create a prototype of his universal food synthesizer

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madaxe 13y ago

Sweet, but ending hunger is incompatible with profit, and this will therefore die a sad little death as it gets legislated into oblivion, if it gets anywhere near gaining traction (which it won't, you just know Monsanto and friends will run a massive PR campaign about how synthesised food is terrorism, GMO is freedom, etc.).

Lexarius 13y ago
The materials for this still need to be grown. They just have very long shelf lives.
donohoe 13y ago
"ending hunger is incompatible with profit" Really? I wouldn't think so. You don't just "end" something and walk away. You still need to maintain and service the issue. There is profit in that.
tomjen3 13y ago
Ending hunger is quite likely to lead to a nice profit as dead people don't buy anything. The only reason we haven't ended hunger yet is that the poor people are too poor and have too horrible governments to be able to produce things we value enough to buy from them.
- madaxe 13y ago
  This isn't the view taken by the worlds agribusinesses - they want enhanced shareholder value, NOW, not in 30 years time, not in a century. It's utterly irrational, but the current global stratagem seems to be: 1) Ruin the planet 2) Profit 3) ???

m_mueller 13y ago

The author questions the tastiness of algae - I wonder whether he knows what Maki rolls are made out of. Ever tried Japanese or Korean seaweed soup? Easily one of the tastiest soups because of all the Umami flavor in Seaweed.

mistercow 13y ago

I feel like hunger is much more likely to be solved with innovative economic thinking than with innovative engineering. We should be able to grow enough food for everyone as it is. That's not really the issue. The issue is getting the economics worked out so that we do grow enough food, and so that we can distribute it to everyone who needs it without breaking all of the economies.

kyllo 13y ago
You are right on track with this comment, but I'd go one step further to say that we already do grow enough food. We just don't distribute it equitably, at all. The fact that hunger, malnutrition, and starvation still plague humanity, is a choice that we have made. The most powerful among us have effectively decided that not everyone deserves food.
CapitalistCartr 13y ago
Yes, this! People keep trying to solve a problem they don't understand, that doesn't really exist. We have enough food in the World to feed our population. Countries like North Korea, Somalia, Ethiopia, Congo have starvation problems not from a lack of food in this World but from monsters running their government that won't allow their people the freedom to live their lives. In spite of a growing population, farm land in the USA is declining. "In 1990, there were almost 987 million acres in farms in the U.S., that number was reduced to just under 943 million acres by 2000, and then reduced to 914 million acres in 2012." http://www.epa.gov/agriculture/ag101/landuse.html http://www.epa.gov/agriculture/ag101/landuse.html
- obviouslygreen 13y ago
  Politics aside, there's an appalling amount of food waste in developed countries. It's certainly not as simple as "send all the not-pretty produce to Africa" or "ship all the no-longer-perfectly-fresh bread to North Korea," but there is a huge potential target for reducing what we throw away and getting it to people who need it. The major problem, of course, is interfering with people's lifestyles, if only in marginal ways... we as first-world countries just don't handle having our convenience messed with very well.

ccallebs 13y ago

Food sustainability is my passion area. Although the technologist in me thinks this is an awesome endeavor, the sustainability advocate in me thinks this is a step in the wrong direction. Agriculture is an area that I think needs to stay relatively low-tech. However, the cultural boundaries preventing that are pretty massive.

zevyoura 13y ago
Modern agriculture is very, very far from 'low-tech.'

krapp 13y ago

I wonder whether the economy involved in manufacturing these cartridges, and the printers themselves, wouldn't all but guarantee this costs more than the worlds' poor could ever afford. The article suggests they could buy the cartridges at a local store ... this assumes, first, the existence of a 'local grocery store' and, second, that they have enough money to buy the carts (and, of course, the 0th assumption that there are enough carts to stock the shelves with.) If they could do that then, presumably, they could already afford whatever else was in the store to begin with, and it would end up being cheaper for the poor who can afford them to just boil the food carts up into soup. I guarantee a synthetic food cartridge is not going to be cheaper than, say, a sack of flour or rice and beans or what have you. And if you're requiring a crowd of people to queue up at the public replicator for their three square meals a day, you've got a recipe for political disaster on your hands. Now you could couple this with some kind of government sponsored food program, so it's "free" I suppose, But what about regions without any real infrastructure, or stable governance, or even hostile governments? I'm not dismissing the idea of the printer per se, but I don't see how it solves world hunger. If NASA wants to revolutionize the quality of life in poverty-stricken areas of the world, they should focus on improving global sanitation, water quality, waste disposal, etc.

ronaldx 13y ago

Printer ink, being hugely marked-up and inefficiently wasteful, is not a good analogy for the stated goal: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/07/04/printer_ink_seven_times_more/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/07/04/printer_ink_seven_ti...

bokglobule 13y ago

Soylent green here we come... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green

codeulike 13y ago
See also: http://www.soylent.me/ http://www.soylent.me/ TLDR: Guy is living off a drink he formulated that provides all his nutritional needs. He's three months in.

DennisP 13y ago

That looks like a perfect match for this guy's idea for efficient nutrient production, presented at Google's Solve For X: https://www.solveforx.com/moonshots/efficient-nutrition-production https://www.solveforx.com/moonshots/efficient-nutrition-prod... He thinks he can provide the protein requirements of the world's population from an area the size of Rhode Island, cheaper and healthier than agriculture.

anonymouz 13y ago

As others have pointed out, this probably won't be all that useful in solving the worlds hunger problems. I'd think the actual motivation for this (and especially for NASA to be involved) is having a durable, easy to transport yet not completely monotonous supply of food for long space flights. This is probably rather long term thinking, so "solving world hunger" is the typical feel good, not completely untrue yet slightly bullshit line you'd use to sell this as a good investment to the more short sighted "why are we spending money on X if there is still hunger/poverty/illness" crowd.

VLM 13y ago

I'd like to see a 3-d printed compost-able seed planter that holds the exact seed, the exact depth, printed with spacing (or attached to a string?) with printed fertilizer and all that. Shove this stake into the ground for a perfect "whatever" planting environment. Doesn't help with floods / droughts / windstorms / frosts but at least it would remove some planting variables.

DanI-S 13y ago

If anyone is interested by the edible insects concept touched upon here, check out our company Tiny Farms (http://www.tiny-farms.com http://www.tiny-farms.com). We're one of a handful of US companies doing real work in this area. Alongside our research, tooling and outreach work, we've actually managed to feed Dave McClure a waxworm-filled Baklava: http://www.tiny-farms.com/2013/04/tiny-farms-in-zagat/ http://www.tiny-farms.com/2013/04/tiny-farms-in-zagat/

tomjen3 13y ago
I suppose maybe one day we will see people eating insects as a regular part of their diet. But personally insects on food makes me vomit, not salivate.
- deleted 13y ago
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- MartinCron 13y ago
  I tried to re-frame it as eating arthropods instead of eating insects. We already eat crabs and lobsters, which are just very large wet bugs.

dreadheart 13y ago

"Tea, Earl Grey, Hot"

jessegavin 13y ago
Was just about to write the same thing.

andrewflnr 13y ago

Someone has to ask: Is there any chance of turning feces into food with this thing? Obviously it can't supply all our needs, there's a reason we got rid of it. But for actually helping people with low resources eat, it might cut down on trips to that "corner grocery store".

X4 13y ago

In 30 Years: Son: Mum, my Food toner is empty! Mum: I'm sorry we can't afford a new one, share with your sister! Imperator: Let's invent chips for food-toners that force stupid consumers to buy new ones before their toner is actually empty! Ministers: Yes, Oh Lord! Can we also throw out a new toner model every quarter that is incompatible to the last one. Imperator: I agree my followers! Keep the technology the same, renovating our fabrics is out of question. Ministers: Oh great Imperator this is a great idea, we order it to be done by this month. Dad: Oh world, why did our Grandads trust the Sci-Fi paroles of the United Companies Associations and didn't see the slavery it brought us coming.. Grandpa: Dear son, it looked so promising and fascinating when the foundations of this technology were born. We were simply confirmed in our dreams by reality, this feeling was too strong to become aware of it's implications. I don't want to sound too skeptic, because I actually hope that they invent the universal replicator, tricorder, warp-drive, universal-translator, deflectors, AI, Isolinear-Chips, etc. but we all know it is very important when an invention is born and who is belongs to. Remember E=mc²

contingencies 13y ago

On the solving world hunger meme, check out 'Permaculture', which could be reasonably summarized as applying the same type of systematic thinking we deploy in the computer world to natural systems for the production of food, energy and other resources. This movement is fairly old (late 60s/early 70s) but is experiencing a renaissance at present. Coupled with the greater geographic reach of the internet and the cheaper price of off-grid power supplies today, it is really something many hackers might enjoy taking a look at. After all, vast expanses of natural land you can live on and still derive income (eg. with a long-haul wireless link) are undervalued by the rest of the population. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permaculture Oh, and injecting 'nutrients' is not realistic in the range we require. For a somewhat loaded example, a typical mushroom has hundreds of organic compounds that we have no idea about, but are rapidly discovering have great benefit to us. Fungi and animalia have recently been confirmed in mainstream science to be the same evolutionary lineage; as such they possess millions of years of evolution producing great anti-bacterial and anti-cancerous properties; they can even eat radiation!