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Because AirBnB is illegal? I get AirBnB as a service, I really do, but it isn't win-win all around for everyone involved, specifically in big cities where real

by jawngee 13y ago

Because AirBnB is illegal? I get AirBnB as a service, I really do, but it isn't win-win all around for everyone involved, specifically in big cities where real estate is a precious commodity. Neighbors lose by having strangers in their buildings, renters lose out on available space, airbnb customers lose out on protection of the law (though they have the protection of the company, but the two are not equivalent). Not only have I seen it in my building, but I've seen it in other friend's buildings, in condos that they've bought (I rent). It's a shitty situation for them having strangers consistently churning through the property. Nothing bad has happened yet, but would you want that whole awkward scenario happening on your front step?

nsmartt 13y ago
>Because AirBnB is illegal? No, but the fact that it's illegal to rent out a building I own for a few weeks while I'm on vacation is another paper cut among the many I have already received when researching NY and NYC government. This wouldn't affect me directly (as I've said, living there was ruled out), but I don't approve. It does, therefore, influence my inclination to visit. If this were the only issue, it wouldn't be a deal breaker. I'd just declare it as unfortunate and visit for longer than 29 days to avoid legal issues. >Neighbors lose by having strangers in their buildings I agree with this, but this sounds like a problem to be handled by the owner of the establishment, not a problem to be handled by government. >renters lose out on available space Only if those renters are offering places for short term visits anyway. I have no idea whether that's a common scenario, but leasers are hardly missing out because I'm renting out an extra room. >would you want that whole awkward scenario happening on your front step? I probably wouldn't, but I still don't consider it to be the government's job to ensure that it isn't happening.
- jcampbell1 13y ago
  > I agree with this, but this sounds like a problem to be handled by the owner of the establishment, not a problem to be handled by government. Even hard core libertarian recognize one function of government it to enforce contracts. Without the government stepping in, what do you suggest? Have Boris from Brighton Beach enforce the contract?
  - nsmartt 13y ago
    Isn't eviction the answer to a violation of my lease? I haven't suggested that the government shouldn't enforce contracts. Only that I don't see the need for there to be a law governing what I can do with my own property. I'm not even sure this is a very libertarian stance.
    - jawngee 13y ago
      You can't evict someone that owns the apartment they are air'ing out. (What is the correct verb for this? Anyone know? Airbnb'ing? Air'ing?) Even in a coop it is incredibly difficult to make that move, if not impossible.
      - nsmartt 13y ago
        If they own it, I assert that they have the right to "air it out", as you put it, regardless of my own objections. This is the same issue I have with regulated lawn maintenance.
  - willurd 13y ago
    That's why we have courts. You take a problem to court when it becomes a problem. You don't punish an entire city for something some people might or even will do.
    - Nursie 13y ago
      Is there not a point where we can say "this is so often and so prevalently a problem, let's disallow it".
      - willurd 13y ago
        You could, but then you would be limiting personal freedoms for those that aren't part of the problem. In my opinion that flies in the face of everything this country and its constitution stand for. One of these days it will be your favorite thing (large sodas, salt, what's next, NYC?) that is outlawed because someone else might be causing a problem with it.
- HelloMcFly 13y ago
  > leasers are hardly missing out because I'm renting out an extra room. It's not just you though. If the owner of the room has decided that it's more profitable to just use the room as a hotel room rather than leasing (which is very possible in many situations) then the room is effectively off the market.
Kurtz79 13y ago
How is this different from people subletting rooms through craiglist or any other announcement board ?
xentronium 13y ago
> airbnb customers lose out on protection of the law But they win on price and search time (which is equivalent to money)?
- potatolicious 13y ago
  Price yes, search time unlikely. I use AirBnb, and the system is that you contact (usually a few) properties to check their availability (not all properties have up-to-date availabilities on the website). They reply confirming availability, and you reply confirming your booking. In my experience this usually takes a day or two. I can find and book a reasonably priced (i.e., none too luxurious) hotel room in NYC in about 15 minutes, in comparison. AirBnb's system is relatively hassle-free, but time savings against Kayak/Expedia/Hipmunk? Not a chance.

by jawngee 13y ago

nsmartt 13y ago

>Because AirBnB is illegal? No, but the fact that it's illegal to rent out a building I own for a few weeks while I'm on vacation is another paper cut among the many I have already received when researching NY and NYC government. This wouldn't affect me directly (as I've said, living there was ruled out), but I don't approve. It does, therefore, influence my inclination to visit. If this were the only issue, it wouldn't be a deal breaker. I'd just declare it as unfortunate and visit for longer than 29 days to avoid legal issues. >Neighbors lose by having strangers in their buildings I agree with this, but this sounds like a problem to be handled by the owner of the establishment, not a problem to be handled by government. >renters lose out on available space Only if those renters are offering places for short term visits anyway. I have no idea whether that's a common scenario, but leasers are hardly missing out because I'm renting out an extra room. >would you want that whole awkward scenario happening on your front step? I probably wouldn't, but I still don't consider it to be the government's job to ensure that it isn't happening.

jcampbell1 13y ago
> I agree with this, but this sounds like a problem to be handled by the owner of the establishment, not a problem to be handled by government. Even hard core libertarian recognize one function of government it to enforce contracts. Without the government stepping in, what do you suggest? Have Boris from Brighton Beach enforce the contract?
- nsmartt 13y ago
  Isn't eviction the answer to a violation of my lease? I haven't suggested that the government shouldn't enforce contracts. Only that I don't see the need for there to be a law governing what I can do with my own property. I'm not even sure this is a very libertarian stance.
  - jawngee 13y ago
    You can't evict someone that owns the apartment they are air'ing out. (What is the correct verb for this? Anyone know? Airbnb'ing? Air'ing?) Even in a coop it is incredibly difficult to make that move, if not impossible.
    - nsmartt 13y ago
      If they own it, I assert that they have the right to "air it out", as you put it, regardless of my own objections. This is the same issue I have with regulated lawn maintenance.
- willurd 13y ago
  That's why we have courts. You take a problem to court when it becomes a problem. You don't punish an entire city for something some people might or even will do.
  - Nursie 13y ago
    Is there not a point where we can say "this is so often and so prevalently a problem, let's disallow it".
    - willurd 13y ago
      You could, but then you would be limiting personal freedoms for those that aren't part of the problem. In my opinion that flies in the face of everything this country and its constitution stand for. One of these days it will be your favorite thing (large sodas, salt, what's next, NYC?) that is outlawed because someone else might be causing a problem with it.
HelloMcFly 13y ago
> leasers are hardly missing out because I'm renting out an extra room. It's not just you though. If the owner of the room has decided that it's more profitable to just use the room as a hotel room rather than leasing (which is very possible in many situations) then the room is effectively off the market.

Kurtz79 13y ago

How is this different from people subletting rooms through craiglist or any other announcement board ?

xentronium 13y ago

> airbnb customers lose out on protection of the law But they win on price and search time (which is equivalent to money)?

potatolicious 13y ago
Price yes, search time unlikely. I use AirBnb, and the system is that you contact (usually a few) properties to check their availability (not all properties have up-to-date availabilities on the website). They reply confirming availability, and you reply confirming your booking. In my experience this usually takes a day or two. I can find and book a reasonably priced (i.e., none too luxurious) hotel room in NYC in about 15 minutes, in comparison. AirBnb's system is relatively hassle-free, but time savings against Kayak/Expedia/Hipmunk? Not a chance.