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Sounds promising. I'll give it a shot.

by scotth 13y ago

oh_really 13y ago
I can only recommend that you take all the claims from JetBrains employees about other languages with a large grain of salt. Having watched most of their presentations, it seems to be a sad fact that they can't seem to sell their language without spreading FUD and making misleading claims about their “competitors” (especially about Scala it seems). I can totally understand how frustrating it must be for the Kotlin devs that they have still failed to produce anything which could be described as a stable, working release, but I think the right solution for them would be to spend less time bashing other languages and to work harder, not to badmouth and disrespect other open-source communities, their work and their projects. If you are interested in Scala on Android in particular, there is a whole mailing list dedicated to it: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/scala-on-android https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/scala-on-android
- scotth 13y ago
  I didn't take what hhariri said as FUD -- it only confirmed what I'd heard elsewhere. And since I don't evaluate technologies on claims alone, trying Kotlin out can't hurt.
  - oh_really 13y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5747657 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5747657 (the similar user names seem to be a funny coincidence, I'm not related to that person in any way)
    - scotth 13y ago
      That was certainly interesting, but it seems far from conclusive. It's an Android beginner saying that everything seemed to work alright. Is he/she in a good position to evaluate startup performance?
      - oh_really 13y ago
        > Is he/she in a good position to evaluate startup performance? Even my grandma would be in a good position to evaluate startup performance. Anyway, I was building an app back in the time of Android 2.0 to discover the platform and I had no problems, neither with startup time nor with apk size. That's why I get a bit concerned when people who a) build a “competing” language and b) only seem to know Scala from reading stuff on the internet, make misleading claims. If this had just happened once I wouldn't have said anything, but this seems to become a pattern.
- dodyg 13y ago
  I wrote a river of news reader called Android Rivers based on Kotlin - the github code is here http://goo.gl/FdEPw http://goo.gl/FdEPw. The app is available at Google Play http://goo.gl/kShgp http://goo.gl/kShgp (I made a new release today). Feel free to evaluate the "start up" performance of my app. My only problem with Kotlin so far is I haven't managed to figure out how to run ProGuard with it to reduce the APK. The Kotlin lib itself is pretty reasonable(less than 500KB). Edit: add technical profile of Android Rivers Using SQLite database High performance XML parsing(RSS 1.0/2.0,ATOM and OPML) High performance JSON parsing(RiverJs) Media Service (custom podcast player) Writing Android Service Accessing Android Clipboard Fragments Implementing Holo theme in Android 2.2 above Library modules First class Outliner UI support Asynchronous operations Managing file system Creating custom dialogs Implementing Sliding Menu Asynchronous HTTP calls Integrating Android Java library Implementing Arabic language support

Sounds promising. I'll give it a shot.

by scotth 13y ago

Sounds promising. I'll give it a shot.

I can only recommend that you take all the claims from JetBrains employees about other languages with a large grain of salt. Having watched most of their presentations, it seems to be a sad fact that they can't seem to sell their language without spreading FUD and making misleading claims about their “competitors” (especially about Scala it seems). I can totally understand how frustrating it must be for the Kotlin devs that they have still failed to produce anything which could be described as a stable, working release, but I think the right solution for them would be to spend less time bashing other languages and to work harder, not to badmouth and disrespect other open-source communities, their work and their projects. If you are interested in Scala on Android in particular, there is a whole mailing list dedicated to it: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/scala-on-android https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/scala-on-android

scotth 13y ago
I didn't take what hhariri said as FUD -- it only confirmed what I'd heard elsewhere. And since I don't evaluate technologies on claims alone, trying Kotlin out can't hurt.
- oh_really 13y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5747657 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5747657 (the similar user names seem to be a funny coincidence, I'm not related to that person in any way)
  - scotth 13y ago
    That was certainly interesting, but it seems far from conclusive. It's an Android beginner saying that everything seemed to work alright. Is he/she in a good position to evaluate startup performance?
    - oh_really 13y ago
      > Is he/she in a good position to evaluate startup performance? Even my grandma would be in a good position to evaluate startup performance. Anyway, I was building an app back in the time of Android 2.0 to discover the platform and I had no problems, neither with startup time nor with apk size. That's why I get a bit concerned when people who a) build a “competing” language and b) only seem to know Scala from reading stuff on the internet, make misleading claims. If this had just happened once I wouldn't have said anything, but this seems to become a pattern.
dodyg 13y ago
I wrote a river of news reader called Android Rivers based on Kotlin - the github code is here http://goo.gl/FdEPw http://goo.gl/FdEPw. The app is available at Google Play http://goo.gl/kShgp http://goo.gl/kShgp (I made a new release today). Feel free to evaluate the "start up" performance of my app. My only problem with Kotlin so far is I haven't managed to figure out how to run ProGuard with it to reduce the APK. The Kotlin lib itself is pretty reasonable(less than 500KB). Edit: add technical profile of Android Rivers Using SQLite database High performance XML parsing(RSS 1.0/2.0,ATOM and OPML) High performance JSON parsing(RiverJs) Media Service (custom podcast player) Writing Android Service Accessing Android Clipboard Fragments Implementing Holo theme in Android 2.2 above Library modules First class Outliner UI support Asynchronous operations Managing file system Creating custom dialogs Implementing Sliding Menu Asynchronous HTTP calls Integrating Android Java library Implementing Arabic language support