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Seamless and GrubHub Announce Merger

80 points by antr 13y ago

mu_killnine 13y ago
Ill be honest: I read this as "Seamless and GitHub Announce Merger" and did a spit-take.
jcutrell 13y ago
Now, if only they could talk Zifty (Zifty.com) into merging, Atlanta would have every restaurant available in one service.
- jseliger 13y ago
  I wonder about the extent to which the GrubHub/Seamless model will prevail and the extent to which the ChowNow model will. My brother works for the latter, and now that I know what to look for I've seen a fair number of NYC restaurants using "their own" ordering systems.
  - parsnips 13y ago
    I think the market will be able to support both models for quite some time, as Seamless/Grubhub will never leave high population density markets until delivery problem is solved.
  - pavel_lishin 13y ago
    What's the difference? At a glance, it looks like Seamhub organizes everything under their brand, whereas ChowNow makes a custom app for every restaurant. The latter seems nice if I already have a restaurant in mind, but if I'm too lazy to cook on monday night, I'm not going to go through the apps one-by-one.
    - jeffasinger 13y ago
      The Seamhub model is better for the user, the ChowNow mode typically doesn't charge the restaurant per order, as Seamless/Grubhub do.
  - rabidonrails 13y ago
    I'm fairly certain that Grubhub also allows (and powers) restaurant ordering on the "restaurant's website" -- essentially it brings you back to a Grubhub page but it can be directly linked from the restaurant's site.
  - jeffasinger 13y ago
    I almost guarantee that this market will eventually stabilize to one of two outcomes: 1) Standardized ordering API allows restaurants with "their own" ordering system to be listed on GrubHub/Seamless. 2) One company (probably Grubless) serves as an aggregator but also sells a lame iframe-for-your-website/custom-app combo. Restaurants should probably hope for #1.
- cellshade 13y ago
  What about GoWaiter?
SatvikBeri 13y ago
Grubless? Joking aside, this seems to make perfect sense. I spend a decent chunk of time in New York, Boston, and California, and have noticed that Seamless xor GrubHub seem to be well-populated in each location.
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stevewilhelm 13y ago
Couldn't decide which comment I liked best "Worsted merger announcement timing ever!" or "Did Matt pay Jonathan today's going rate; 1.1 billion in cash?"
aetimmes 13y ago
I've been told by lawyers that M&A activity usually precedes an economic uptick in a sector. If that's true, then today is a pretty good day to be in tech.
untog 13y ago
My bigger surprise is that the GrubHub CEO will become the CEO of the combined operation- in NYC at least, Seamless has always seemed like the far bigger operation. And GrubHub's web site was painful to use for a long, long time. I wonder if this means Seamless are closing their offices in Utah?
- parsnips 13y ago
  This seems like a more and more likely scenario.
parsnips 13y ago
This is the first step on the way to going public for certain. I always admired Grubhub for their dedication to the tech, but Seamless always had the most amazing sales people (Looking at Wiley Cerilli) (full disclosure: Former Seamless Lead Dev)
salimmadjd 13y ago
Running a restaurant is a tough business, so is running a restaurant-based tech business. Probably for the same reasons-competition! For me Grubhub was a consumer business and seamless an enterprise business. So not sure how this merger makes sense, unless both companies were seeing slowdown in growth and had to combine some of their operations.
- parsnips 13y ago
  More likely is that their combined revenue makes going public (and exiting) more likely for both companies. The margins in this business are insane.
- jeffasinger 13y ago
  Both companies primary asset at this point is online ordering relationships with a ton of restaurants. There is a significant network benefit to having a larger list of restaurants in a given area, as your service becomes synonymous with ordering food. I think this merger makes a lot of sense.
rabble 13y ago
I started reading this and i kept thing, why the hell would GitHub be buying a food startup! I know they're doing well but this is really beyond developer tools.
veridies 13y ago
Slightly worried. When GrubHub acquired campusfood.com, which had the best coverage in my area, they ended up losing almost all of the restaurants in my city. I called them up a couple times and GrubHub claimed that they would be coming soon, but in the end I assume the deals fell apart I was left with many fewer ordering choices.
- jeffasinger 13y ago
  This is because campusfood.com charged much lower rates than GrubHub does. I was told by a few restaurant owners that when GrubHub came along, they tried to renegotiate the restaurants to a higher price point, which caused a lot of turnover.
jonathanjaeger 13y ago
Seamless has better design and more options. GrubHub has funnier copy. I use the former for convenience and the latter for the laughs.
sGrabber 13y ago
This industry to look for. Going in right direction
CityLunchClub 13y ago
This merger would be great for the rising food tech industry. It opens the door to disruptive solutions to revolutionize the model that was created by these two companies. The continued lack of innovation in the space is precisely the reason we decided to build a curated lunch subscription company that works with the toprestaurants in cities to introduce foodies to an amazing variety of options and for companies to have an inexpensive way to compete with Google when it comes to providing lunch for their employees. We're looking forward to seeing the space evolve as a whole!
- jgalt212 13y ago
  I have to disagree if only b/c of a differing point of view. As a NYC restaurant consumer and not a restaurant tech provider, this merger is bad for me because it's lowering competition and will most likely just result in me paying higher prices (either directly or indirectly) for delivered food.
antiterra 13y ago
Seamless always struck me as the far better option. Here in NYC, radial distance is almost useless to define delivery areas. On GrubHub and Delivery.com, I would often see restaurants on the other side of the river show up as in my area simply because of straight line proximity. Somehow Seamless knows which restaurants actually consider me in their delivery area. The most curious thing about Seamless was they were constantly running promotions with a code that only worked in their mobile app. I don't know if this was meant to help them test or what, but I think there's a huge risk consumers will interpret that sort of thing as 'penalty for ordering in the comfort of your web browser' instead of 'bonus for ordering with a mobile app'
- jeffasinger 13y ago
  I've written a system that handled delivery areas like this. Restaurants would draw a polygon that showed where they'd deliver. It took 2 people about a day to handle this. I'm sure that if GrubHub wanted to, they would have done this also.
  - untog 13y ago
    Although I don't have a huge amount of experience with it, GrubHub always seemed like the inferior option. For a long time they didn't even save credit card details.
    - Hovertruck 13y ago
      I used to get an error page any time I would enter my address on Grubhub with no other options, but Seamless/Delivery.com/etc worked great.
      - jeffasinger 13y ago
        Geocoding is relatively tricky, was there something weird about your address?
        13y ago
eridius 13y ago
Judging from the comments in here, I seem to be the only person who uses eat24hours.com. I wonder how this merger will affect them?
eigenvalue 13y ago
Seamless is one of my favorite companies. I literally order food through them every day and I have always been pleased with the speed and design of their website and apps. The more you think about it, the more this appears to be a an amazingly good business (a "tax" on takeout for making it easy!) with important first mover advantages. Whoever puts together a big sales force first will saturate the low hanging fruit, and then network effects kick in after that. So I can see how this merger makes sense. I just hope that the seamless engineers and designers don't leave now.

80 points by antr 13y ago

Ill be honest: I read this as "Seamless and GitHub Announce Merger" and did a spit-take.

Now, if only they could talk Zifty (Zifty.com) into merging, Atlanta would have every restaurant available in one service.

jseliger 13y ago
I wonder about the extent to which the GrubHub/Seamless model will prevail and the extent to which the ChowNow model will. My brother works for the latter, and now that I know what to look for I've seen a fair number of NYC restaurants using "their own" ordering systems.
- parsnips 13y ago
  I think the market will be able to support both models for quite some time, as Seamless/Grubhub will never leave high population density markets until delivery problem is solved.
- pavel_lishin 13y ago
  What's the difference? At a glance, it looks like Seamhub organizes everything under their brand, whereas ChowNow makes a custom app for every restaurant. The latter seems nice if I already have a restaurant in mind, but if I'm too lazy to cook on monday night, I'm not going to go through the apps one-by-one.
  - jeffasinger 13y ago
    The Seamhub model is better for the user, the ChowNow mode typically doesn't charge the restaurant per order, as Seamless/Grubhub do.
- rabidonrails 13y ago
  I'm fairly certain that Grubhub also allows (and powers) restaurant ordering on the "restaurant's website" -- essentially it brings you back to a Grubhub page but it can be directly linked from the restaurant's site.
- jeffasinger 13y ago
  I almost guarantee that this market will eventually stabilize to one of two outcomes: 1) Standardized ordering API allows restaurants with "their own" ordering system to be listed on GrubHub/Seamless. 2) One company (probably Grubless) serves as an aggregator but also sells a lame iframe-for-your-website/custom-app combo. Restaurants should probably hope for #1.
cellshade 13y ago
What about GoWaiter?

SatvikBeri 13y ago

Grubless? Joking aside, this seems to make perfect sense. I spend a decent chunk of time in New York, Boston, and California, and have noticed that Seamless xor GrubHub seem to be well-populated in each location.

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stevewilhelm 13y ago

Couldn't decide which comment I liked best "Worsted merger announcement timing ever!" or "Did Matt pay Jonathan today's going rate; 1.1 billion in cash?"

aetimmes 13y ago

I've been told by lawyers that M&A activity usually precedes an economic uptick in a sector. If that's true, then today is a pretty good day to be in tech.

untog 13y ago

My bigger surprise is that the GrubHub CEO will become the CEO of the combined operation- in NYC at least, Seamless has always seemed like the far bigger operation. And GrubHub's web site was painful to use for a long, long time. I wonder if this means Seamless are closing their offices in Utah?

parsnips 13y ago
This seems like a more and more likely scenario.

parsnips 13y ago

This is the first step on the way to going public for certain. I always admired Grubhub for their dedication to the tech, but Seamless always had the most amazing sales people (Looking at Wiley Cerilli) (full disclosure: Former Seamless Lead Dev)

salimmadjd 13y ago

Running a restaurant is a tough business, so is running a restaurant-based tech business. Probably for the same reasons-competition! For me Grubhub was a consumer business and seamless an enterprise business. So not sure how this merger makes sense, unless both companies were seeing slowdown in growth and had to combine some of their operations.

parsnips 13y ago
More likely is that their combined revenue makes going public (and exiting) more likely for both companies. The margins in this business are insane.
jeffasinger 13y ago
Both companies primary asset at this point is online ordering relationships with a ton of restaurants. There is a significant network benefit to having a larger list of restaurants in a given area, as your service becomes synonymous with ordering food. I think this merger makes a lot of sense.

rabble 13y ago

I started reading this and i kept thing, why the hell would GitHub be buying a food startup! I know they're doing well but this is really beyond developer tools.

veridies 13y ago

Slightly worried. When GrubHub acquired campusfood.com, which had the best coverage in my area, they ended up losing almost all of the restaurants in my city. I called them up a couple times and GrubHub claimed that they would be coming soon, but in the end I assume the deals fell apart I was left with many fewer ordering choices.

jeffasinger 13y ago
This is because campusfood.com charged much lower rates than GrubHub does. I was told by a few restaurant owners that when GrubHub came along, they tried to renegotiate the restaurants to a higher price point, which caused a lot of turnover.

jonathanjaeger 13y ago

Seamless has better design and more options. GrubHub has funnier copy. I use the former for convenience and the latter for the laughs.

sGrabber 13y ago

This industry to look for. Going in right direction

CityLunchClub 13y ago

This merger would be great for the rising food tech industry. It opens the door to disruptive solutions to revolutionize the model that was created by these two companies. The continued lack of innovation in the space is precisely the reason we decided to build a curated lunch subscription company that works with the toprestaurants in cities to introduce foodies to an amazing variety of options and for companies to have an inexpensive way to compete with Google when it comes to providing lunch for their employees. We're looking forward to seeing the space evolve as a whole!

jgalt212 13y ago
I have to disagree if only b/c of a differing point of view. As a NYC restaurant consumer and not a restaurant tech provider, this merger is bad for me because it's lowering competition and will most likely just result in me paying higher prices (either directly or indirectly) for delivered food.

antiterra 13y ago

Seamless always struck me as the far better option. Here in NYC, radial distance is almost useless to define delivery areas. On GrubHub and Delivery.com, I would often see restaurants on the other side of the river show up as in my area simply because of straight line proximity. Somehow Seamless knows which restaurants actually consider me in their delivery area. The most curious thing about Seamless was they were constantly running promotions with a code that only worked in their mobile app. I don't know if this was meant to help them test or what, but I think there's a huge risk consumers will interpret that sort of thing as 'penalty for ordering in the comfort of your web browser' instead of 'bonus for ordering with a mobile app'

jeffasinger 13y ago
I've written a system that handled delivery areas like this. Restaurants would draw a polygon that showed where they'd deliver. It took 2 people about a day to handle this. I'm sure that if GrubHub wanted to, they would have done this also.
- untog 13y ago
  Although I don't have a huge amount of experience with it, GrubHub always seemed like the inferior option. For a long time they didn't even save credit card details.
  - Hovertruck 13y ago
    I used to get an error page any time I would enter my address on Grubhub with no other options, but Seamless/Delivery.com/etc worked great.
    - jeffasinger 13y ago
      Geocoding is relatively tricky, was there something weird about your address?
      - 13y ago

eridius 13y ago

Judging from the comments in here, I seem to be the only person who uses eat24hours.com. I wonder how this merger will affect them?

eigenvalue 13y ago

Seamless is one of my favorite companies. I literally order food through them every day and I have always been pleased with the speed and design of their website and apps. The more you think about it, the more this appears to be a an amazingly good business (a "tax" on takeout for making it easy!) with important first mover advantages. Whoever puts together a big sales force first will saturate the low hanging fruit, and then network effects kick in after that. So I can see how this merger makes sense. I just hope that the seamless engineers and designers don't leave now.