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The evidence looks pretty strong to me, but I am not an expert in any way. Anakata's encrypted files (which the police did manage to decrypt) and plenty of IRC

by pathy 13y ago

The evidence looks pretty strong to me, but I am not an expert in any way. Anakata's encrypted files (which the police did manage to decrypt) and plenty of IRC and server logs among other things. A quick overview of the investigation suggests to me and the Swedish police did a pretty damn thorough job investigating. The IRC logs start at page 435 in the FUP, though they are mostly in Swedish. As far as I can tell, the investigators have very solid evidence and going to the length they did to arrests anakata seems reasonable. That is not to comment on his time as 'häktad'.

ahel 13y ago
> Anakata's encrypted files (which the police did manage to decrypt) Did anyone know how they managed to decrypt those files and which kind of protection Anakata had set?
belorn 13y ago
The investigation was fine. Its everything else that aren't. I can't see how you can support the claim that the length they did to arrests anakata was reasonable. The use of counter terrorists personal and facilities. Three months in solitary confinement. Lies given to the defendant mother and the denying of her request for information regarding the whereabouts of her son. The lies to media about why he was extradited. The denying of lawyer. And last, the restriction to talk to his family members (and lawyer) for several days/weeks. Had this been a non-political matter, then it would had been a regular case with regular results. It wouldn't been a blimp on the HN radar. Sadly, because of how it was handled, its now a mess.
- pathy 13y ago
  I have not read about how the extradition was handled (counter-terrorism things that is, in which document is that?). The three months wasn't strictly solitary as far as I can tell but it gets spun to all hell every time 'häkte' is mentioned so I don't know what is true or not. Somehow the fact that he can't get a graphical calculator is more important than what he is accused of. If that is not spin I don't know what is. As for the lies to the media, denying lawyer etc; sources? There is so much newly released data so I don't know where to look to find it so an indication in the right direction would be helpful. Lastly, the matter is political because anakata, and the others, allegedly released a lot of protected identities, hacked government related services as well as a bank. The identities are protected for a reason (police, domestic violence, witnesses and so forth). This is a very high profile case with influential interests on both sides (TPB/Wikileaks supporters on one side and Swedish govt/Nordea/Logica on the other), thus it appears on HN. Edit: I forgot, if it is indeed the case that he has been treated in ways that are not up to scratch with what we expect from countries with respectable rule of law then that is of course worrying and will hopefully come to light during the trial, or afterwards.
  - belorn 13y ago
    While I normally applaud the asking for sources, when the main article has both base data as well as linked blogs, some expectation of honest attempt of self-research is expected. However, here is some short number of links. More could probably be found if I was really digging. If one want the relative short version, check out the blog post (http://qnrq.se/sweden-kidnapped-anakata/ http://qnrq.se/sweden-kidnapped-anakata/) or torrentfreak post (https://torrentfreak.com/sweden-kidnapped-my-friend-pirate-bay-co-founder-anakata-120810/ https://torrentfreak.com/sweden-kidnapped-my-friend-pirate-b...) about that blog post. For each separate point: use of counter-terrorism resources: http://www.ibtimes.com/pirate-bay-founder-gottfrid-svartholm-allegedly-arrested-over-tax-hack-not-piracy-779721 http://www.ibtimes.com/pirate-bay-founder-gottfrid-svartholm... strictly solitary: http://nyheter24.se/nyheter/internet/730683-pirate-bay-grundarens-mamma-vadjar-till-amnesty http://nyheter24.se/nyheter/internet/730683-pirate-bay-grund.... I would add that sweden do not have solitary treatment as an separate thing. It has 'häkte' with additional restrictions. In this case, the additional restrictions meant no talking to other prisoners. One hour per day of rest outside the cell, but strictly alone. One hour of visitation for the family per week, through only if the police had time. If that can be translated to the US version of solitary confinement is up to the reader to decide. lies to the media and mother: (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/382964/20120911/gottfrid-svartholm-deported-pirate-bay-torrent-file.htm http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/382964/20120911/gottfrid-s...) and (http://nyheter24.se/nyheter/internet/727383-pirate-bay-grundarens-mamma-trott-pa-logner http://nyheter24.se/nyheter/internet/727383-pirate-bay-grund...). They initially claimed that he was deported because of a revoked passport. Once in Sweden, they changed their tune. Saying something in false pretense, then changing it once the circumstances is more favorable is the definition of a lie. denying lawyer access: See above link. Covers that too there. Check the linked blog article, and see statements from the mother. Want links for that too? An other source: (http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/svartholm-warg-anhallen-for-dataintrang http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/svartholm-warg-anhallen-for...) Last, I would like to add that this is likely not to effect the trial. Swedish law do not address those kind of circumstances when determining guilt. If Gottfrid Svartholm lawyers brings it up, it could be an argument for lowering any sentence but other than that, its unlikely to be even brought up.

by pathy 13y ago

ahel 13y ago

> Anakata's encrypted files (which the police did manage to decrypt) Did anyone know how they managed to decrypt those files and which kind of protection Anakata had set?

belorn 13y ago

The investigation was fine. Its everything else that aren't. I can't see how you can support the claim that the length they did to arrests anakata was reasonable. The use of counter terrorists personal and facilities. Three months in solitary confinement. Lies given to the defendant mother and the denying of her request for information regarding the whereabouts of her son. The lies to media about why he was extradited. The denying of lawyer. And last, the restriction to talk to his family members (and lawyer) for several days/weeks. Had this been a non-political matter, then it would had been a regular case with regular results. It wouldn't been a blimp on the HN radar. Sadly, because of how it was handled, its now a mess.

pathy 13y ago
I have not read about how the extradition was handled (counter-terrorism things that is, in which document is that?). The three months wasn't strictly solitary as far as I can tell but it gets spun to all hell every time 'häkte' is mentioned so I don't know what is true or not. Somehow the fact that he can't get a graphical calculator is more important than what he is accused of. If that is not spin I don't know what is. As for the lies to the media, denying lawyer etc; sources? There is so much newly released data so I don't know where to look to find it so an indication in the right direction would be helpful. Lastly, the matter is political because anakata, and the others, allegedly released a lot of protected identities, hacked government related services as well as a bank. The identities are protected for a reason (police, domestic violence, witnesses and so forth). This is a very high profile case with influential interests on both sides (TPB/Wikileaks supporters on one side and Swedish govt/Nordea/Logica on the other), thus it appears on HN. Edit: I forgot, if it is indeed the case that he has been treated in ways that are not up to scratch with what we expect from countries with respectable rule of law then that is of course worrying and will hopefully come to light during the trial, or afterwards.
- belorn 13y ago
  While I normally applaud the asking for sources, when the main article has both base data as well as linked blogs, some expectation of honest attempt of self-research is expected. However, here is some short number of links. More could probably be found if I was really digging. If one want the relative short version, check out the blog post (http://qnrq.se/sweden-kidnapped-anakata/ http://qnrq.se/sweden-kidnapped-anakata/) or torrentfreak post (https://torrentfreak.com/sweden-kidnapped-my-friend-pirate-bay-co-founder-anakata-120810/ https://torrentfreak.com/sweden-kidnapped-my-friend-pirate-b...) about that blog post. For each separate point: use of counter-terrorism resources: http://www.ibtimes.com/pirate-bay-founder-gottfrid-svartholm-allegedly-arrested-over-tax-hack-not-piracy-779721 http://www.ibtimes.com/pirate-bay-founder-gottfrid-svartholm... strictly solitary: http://nyheter24.se/nyheter/internet/730683-pirate-bay-grundarens-mamma-vadjar-till-amnesty http://nyheter24.se/nyheter/internet/730683-pirate-bay-grund.... I would add that sweden do not have solitary treatment as an separate thing. It has 'häkte' with additional restrictions. In this case, the additional restrictions meant no talking to other prisoners. One hour per day of rest outside the cell, but strictly alone. One hour of visitation for the family per week, through only if the police had time. If that can be translated to the US version of solitary confinement is up to the reader to decide. lies to the media and mother: (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/382964/20120911/gottfrid-svartholm-deported-pirate-bay-torrent-file.htm http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/382964/20120911/gottfrid-s...) and (http://nyheter24.se/nyheter/internet/727383-pirate-bay-grundarens-mamma-trott-pa-logner http://nyheter24.se/nyheter/internet/727383-pirate-bay-grund...). They initially claimed that he was deported because of a revoked passport. Once in Sweden, they changed their tune. Saying something in false pretense, then changing it once the circumstances is more favorable is the definition of a lie. denying lawyer access: See above link. Covers that too there. Check the linked blog article, and see statements from the mother. Want links for that too? An other source: (http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/svartholm-warg-anhallen-for-dataintrang http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/svartholm-warg-anhallen-for...) Last, I would like to add that this is likely not to effect the trial. Swedish law do not address those kind of circumstances when determining guilt. If Gottfrid Svartholm lawyers brings it up, it could be an argument for lowering any sentence but other than that, its unlikely to be even brought up.