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Okay. I admit to being surprised by this. Despite being a Sublime user myself I had expected vi[m]/emacs to handily beat all other options.

pyre 13y ago
I'm sure there's a bit of selection bias by only polling the HN crowd (and at midnight on the west coast of the US / 3AM on the east coast -- a good portion of HN'ers are in SV).
- dasil003 13y ago
  The geographical interpretation is strange. Why would you think Sublime would be relatively more prevalent than vi/emacs in SV? (Also don't forget it's coffee time in Europe)
  - laumars 13y ago
    > The geographical interpretation is strange. Logically, you'd be right that it wouldn't make much sense. However geographical trends like that do happen. eg SLES tends to have more traction in Europe than in the US (where RHEL is king of the enterprise space). Opera is more widely used in Europe and some eastern blocks than it is in the States. Apple hardware has a lower foothold in Europe than in America. And so on. Often it's just a case that people will use what they see their peers use rather than what they're told they should use by the internet.
    - dasil003 13y ago
      Sure they happen. But what is the basis for assuming so so matter-of-factly in this case? If you ask me I'd expect SV to have higher vim/emacs penetration since it's been tech central since before the invention of the terminal.
      - laumars 13y ago
        > Sure they happen. But what is the basis for assuming so so matter-of-factly in this case? I can't help you there as I wasn't the one that made that comment. > If you ask me I'd expect SV to have higher vim/emacs penetration since it's been tech central since before the invention of the terminal. You could make similar arguments against SV: vim was written by a European (Bram Moolenaar) and GNU emacs was widely popularised by a European OS (Linux). Sadly local statistical trends are rarely that simple to explain (and if we're honest, the results of these polls are anything but trustworthy to begin with)
        dasil003 13y ago
        > I can't help you there as I wasn't the one that made that comment. But you're totally derailing my thread as that is the entire point of my comment. The OP presented it like some sort of foregone conclusion that SV would obviously skew to Sublime. Why!? I am not trying to make a claim that A) geographical variances don't exist or B) SV over-represents vim / emacs (that was merely a wild guess, not meant to state a position, just meant to demonstrate that intuitively the OP's argument makes no sense). I hope that's clear now.
        laumars 13y ago
        To be honest, I think you're being a tad argumentative. All the former poster said was the was "I'm sure that there's a bit of selection bias going on." Which is actually a very fair comment as polling at set times when only a specific region is active will generate some selection bias. He didn't state that it's a forgone conclusion that vi/emacs is unpopular in SV. If anything, he was just stating the obvious about how not everyone is on the same timezone and thus around to vote. And accusing me of "totally derailing [your] thread" when it's neither your thread and nor am I going off topic, is rather childish. I appreciate you wanted pyre to expand on his comments, but let's not descend into hair-pulling just because someone else happens to side with a comment that you presumably misinterpreted (and I'm making that presumption because you latter agreed with his comment when I reworded it).
- thejosh 13y ago
  Would like to see some sort of breakdown for this based on something like traffic stats instead of a poll.
theanalyst 13y ago
There was a poll yesterday https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5728866 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5728866, this reflects that.

pyre 13y ago

I'm sure there's a bit of selection bias by only polling the HN crowd (and at midnight on the west coast of the US / 3AM on the east coast -- a good portion of HN'ers are in SV).

dasil003 13y ago
The geographical interpretation is strange. Why would you think Sublime would be relatively more prevalent than vi/emacs in SV? (Also don't forget it's coffee time in Europe)
- laumars 13y ago
  > The geographical interpretation is strange. Logically, you'd be right that it wouldn't make much sense. However geographical trends like that do happen. eg SLES tends to have more traction in Europe than in the US (where RHEL is king of the enterprise space). Opera is more widely used in Europe and some eastern blocks than it is in the States. Apple hardware has a lower foothold in Europe than in America. And so on. Often it's just a case that people will use what they see their peers use rather than what they're told they should use by the internet.
  - dasil003 13y ago
    Sure they happen. But what is the basis for assuming so so matter-of-factly in this case? If you ask me I'd expect SV to have higher vim/emacs penetration since it's been tech central since before the invention of the terminal.
    - laumars 13y ago
      > Sure they happen. But what is the basis for assuming so so matter-of-factly in this case? I can't help you there as I wasn't the one that made that comment. > If you ask me I'd expect SV to have higher vim/emacs penetration since it's been tech central since before the invention of the terminal. You could make similar arguments against SV: vim was written by a European (Bram Moolenaar) and GNU emacs was widely popularised by a European OS (Linux). Sadly local statistical trends are rarely that simple to explain (and if we're honest, the results of these polls are anything but trustworthy to begin with)
      - dasil003 13y ago
        > I can't help you there as I wasn't the one that made that comment. But you're totally derailing my thread as that is the entire point of my comment. The OP presented it like some sort of foregone conclusion that SV would obviously skew to Sublime. Why!? I am not trying to make a claim that A) geographical variances don't exist or B) SV over-represents vim / emacs (that was merely a wild guess, not meant to state a position, just meant to demonstrate that intuitively the OP's argument makes no sense). I hope that's clear now.
        laumars 13y ago
        To be honest, I think you're being a tad argumentative. All the former poster said was the was "I'm sure that there's a bit of selection bias going on." Which is actually a very fair comment as polling at set times when only a specific region is active will generate some selection bias. He didn't state that it's a forgone conclusion that vi/emacs is unpopular in SV. If anything, he was just stating the obvious about how not everyone is on the same timezone and thus around to vote. And accusing me of "totally derailing [your] thread" when it's neither your thread and nor am I going off topic, is rather childish. I appreciate you wanted pyre to expand on his comments, but let's not descend into hair-pulling just because someone else happens to side with a comment that you presumably misinterpreted (and I'm making that presumption because you latter agreed with his comment when I reworded it).
thejosh 13y ago
Would like to see some sort of breakdown for this based on something like traffic stats instead of a poll.

theanalyst 13y ago

There was a poll yesterday https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5728866 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5728866, this reflects that.