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I would differ on the claim that this is an "unprecedented level of slavery". I can think of a precedent level of slavery in U.S. history.

antihero 13y ago
IIRC there are more blacks in the US prison system then there ever were slaves under slavery: http://globalgrind.com/news/more-black-men-prison-system-today-slaves-1850-secret-our-success-michael-skolnik-blog http://globalgrind.com/news/more-black-men-prison-system-tod...
rangibaby 13y ago
The way I grokked is that this is the first thing really comparable to slavery since it "officially" ended. It's not a novel opinion; blacks are incarcerated at six times the level of whites (1). http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet
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- Shivetya 13y ago
  http://libertyfight.com/2013/New_York_City_Crime_stats_based_on_race.html http://libertyfight.com/2013/New_York_City_Crime_stats_based... Statistics are what you make them, considering that blacks are more likely to victims of violence to other blacks, when they are not the majority, how can the outcome of incarceration rates be remedied?
  - bdisraeli 13y ago
    Most people in the prison system are there for non-violent offenses. [1] In Chicago, blacks were arrested (before decriminalisation last year) for cannabis consumption at a rate of 15 persons for every 1 white person despite similar rates of cannabis consumption among blacks and whites. [2] People who have gone to prison for any of offense have a 40% chance of eventually going back to prison. [3] I would suggest that the change in incarceration rates starts with less racist policing. [1] http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=1118 http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=1118 [2] http://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/chicago-marijuana-arrest-statistics/Content?oid=4198958 http://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/chicago-marijuana-arrest-... [3] http://reason.com/archives/2011/06/08/prison-math http://reason.com/archives/2011/06/08/prison-math
    - DanBC 13y ago
      I don't take drugs. I think there are good reasons for people to not take cannabis. I am strongly in favour of cannabis legalisation. The amount of time and money spent dealing with cannabis is mind-boggling. About 50,000[1] Mexicans have been murdered in the recent drug wars. Some of those are because cannabis is illegal. Cannabis prohibition is going to be viewed with horror in the future. (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2084224,00.html http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2084224,00.htm...) (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/opinion/hit-mexicos-cartels-with-legalization.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/opinion/hit-mexicos-cartel...) (http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-war-statistics http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-war-statistics) (http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/05/05/fbi-marijuana-is-the-top-revenue-generator-for-mexican-cartels/ http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/05/05/fbi-marijuana-is...) [1] numbers are hard to check, but some people say 62,000 since 2006.
mtgx 13y ago
I think he meant unprecedented level of slavery, after slavery was officially "ended".

antihero 13y ago

IIRC there are more blacks in the US prison system then there ever were slaves under slavery: http://globalgrind.com/news/more-black-men-prison-system-today-slaves-1850-secret-our-success-michael-skolnik-blog http://globalgrind.com/news/more-black-men-prison-system-tod...

rangibaby 13y ago

The way I grokked is that this is the first thing really comparable to slavery since it "officially" ended. It's not a novel opinion; blacks are incarcerated at six times the level of whites (1). http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet

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Shivetya 13y ago
http://libertyfight.com/2013/New_York_City_Crime_stats_based_on_race.html http://libertyfight.com/2013/New_York_City_Crime_stats_based... Statistics are what you make them, considering that blacks are more likely to victims of violence to other blacks, when they are not the majority, how can the outcome of incarceration rates be remedied?
- bdisraeli 13y ago
  Most people in the prison system are there for non-violent offenses. [1] In Chicago, blacks were arrested (before decriminalisation last year) for cannabis consumption at a rate of 15 persons for every 1 white person despite similar rates of cannabis consumption among blacks and whites. [2] People who have gone to prison for any of offense have a 40% chance of eventually going back to prison. [3] I would suggest that the change in incarceration rates starts with less racist policing. [1] http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=1118 http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=1118 [2] http://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/chicago-marijuana-arrest-statistics/Content?oid=4198958 http://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/chicago-marijuana-arrest-... [3] http://reason.com/archives/2011/06/08/prison-math http://reason.com/archives/2011/06/08/prison-math
  - DanBC 13y ago
    I don't take drugs. I think there are good reasons for people to not take cannabis. I am strongly in favour of cannabis legalisation. The amount of time and money spent dealing with cannabis is mind-boggling. About 50,000[1] Mexicans have been murdered in the recent drug wars. Some of those are because cannabis is illegal. Cannabis prohibition is going to be viewed with horror in the future. (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2084224,00.html http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2084224,00.htm...) (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/opinion/hit-mexicos-cartels-with-legalization.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/opinion/hit-mexicos-cartel...) (http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-war-statistics http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-war-statistics) (http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/05/05/fbi-marijuana-is-the-top-revenue-generator-for-mexican-cartels/ http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/05/05/fbi-marijuana-is...) [1] numbers are hard to check, but some people say 62,000 since 2006.

mtgx 13y ago

I think he meant unprecedented level of slavery, after slavery was officially "ended".