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Ad hominem. Further the comment is repeated only because it confirms something widely believed. The Wii was in a similar situation but got a reprieve via novel

Ad hominem. Further the comment is repeated only because it confirms something widely believed. The Wii was in a similar situation but got a reprieve via novel controls, but of that generation while countless 360s and PS3 units are still in heavy service, the Nintendo devices gather dust (mine never got unpacked after moving. Non-HD just destroys it in an HD world). The WiiU novelty seems to be a nonstarter. The device has the stench of a serious failure.

Karunamon 13y ago
Stop misusing the term "ad hominem". I didn't say that EA was wrong in that post (which is an essential component of that kind of argument), I said they were being hypocritical. Pointing out hypocrisy/irony is not an ad hominem argument. Anyways, the U's launch library is admittedly abysmal, but it seems they've finally got their head around online services that don't fail completely. It only took 2.5 console generations, but there you go. I'd compare it to the early PS3 launch if anything. Critically panned, overpriced, bad launch library.. give it some time, and I've got a good feeling the situation will improve. PS3 turned into one of the better consoles of this generation, despite Sony's best efforts to the contrary. Also, complaints about underpowered hardware go to the bit bucket, Nintendo has pretty much always lagged behind the cutting edge on tech, any buyer/developer who doesn't understand and expect that at this point in time is not paying attention.
- corresation 13y ago
  Your post was the very definition of an ad hominem attack -- you sought to cast aspersions on the speaker, having nothing, whatsoever, to do with the actual argument. And to humor your points, there is nothing whatsoever hypocritical or "ironic" about an EA developer criticizing a hardware device when their own organization is seeing a financial downturn (or at least they were...their last quarter was quite a rebound), and I'm perplexed how you think that is relevant. The PS3 succeeded because it could be justified as a superlative blu-ray player, at the perfect time that people started looking for blu-ray players. The WiiU has no such advantage. The WiiU has done dismally in reviews, has little software (and little hope of much to come, given that a growing number of game makers have declared it a non-starter), and is widely anticipated to be destroyed by the soon-to-be-announced next generation of consoles. It is DoA, given that its sole opportunity was a first mover advantage but that didn't pan out. Also, complaints about underpowered hardware go to the bit bucket Sure...okay...
  - msg 13y ago
    Dispersion s.b. aspersion... Time to calm down.
- cpleppert 13y ago
  The charge of hypocrisy is generally an ad hominen argument when you are responding to a specific point someone made. It isn't EA making the point about the Wii it is a developer at the company. So how is the developer being hypocritical? Furthermore, hypocrisy is taking different positions on similar issues. I'm not sure EA's position is that it is okay they are (hypothetically)a poorly managed company.

Karunamon 13y ago

Stop misusing the term "ad hominem". I didn't say that EA was wrong in that post (which is an essential component of that kind of argument), I said they were being hypocritical. Pointing out hypocrisy/irony is not an ad hominem argument. Anyways, the U's launch library is admittedly abysmal, but it seems they've finally got their head around online services that don't fail completely. It only took 2.5 console generations, but there you go. I'd compare it to the early PS3 launch if anything. Critically panned, overpriced, bad launch library.. give it some time, and I've got a good feeling the situation will improve. PS3 turned into one of the better consoles of this generation, despite Sony's best efforts to the contrary. Also, complaints about underpowered hardware go to the bit bucket, Nintendo has pretty much always lagged behind the cutting edge on tech, any buyer/developer who doesn't understand and expect that at this point in time is not paying attention.

corresation 13y ago
Your post was the very definition of an ad hominem attack -- you sought to cast aspersions on the speaker, having nothing, whatsoever, to do with the actual argument. And to humor your points, there is nothing whatsoever hypocritical or "ironic" about an EA developer criticizing a hardware device when their own organization is seeing a financial downturn (or at least they were...their last quarter was quite a rebound), and I'm perplexed how you think that is relevant. The PS3 succeeded because it could be justified as a superlative blu-ray player, at the perfect time that people started looking for blu-ray players. The WiiU has no such advantage. The WiiU has done dismally in reviews, has little software (and little hope of much to come, given that a growing number of game makers have declared it a non-starter), and is widely anticipated to be destroyed by the soon-to-be-announced next generation of consoles. It is DoA, given that its sole opportunity was a first mover advantage but that didn't pan out. Also, complaints about underpowered hardware go to the bit bucket Sure...okay...
- msg 13y ago
  Dispersion s.b. aspersion... Time to calm down.
cpleppert 13y ago
The charge of hypocrisy is generally an ad hominen argument when you are responding to a specific point someone made. It isn't EA making the point about the Wii it is a developer at the company. So how is the developer being hypocritical? Furthermore, hypocrisy is taking different positions on similar issues. I'm not sure EA's position is that it is okay they are (hypothetically)a poorly managed company.