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I feel sorry for the Gnome guys - they get crucified if they do or don't advance the platform, yet look across and see other fruit flavoured platforms pull wors

I feel sorry for the Gnome guys - they get crucified if they do or don't advance the platform, yet look across and see other fruit flavoured platforms pull worse on their user base yet their fan base not only approves of it, but they somehow justify in the most Stockholm syndrome walled garden kind of way.

riffraff 13y ago
I think users complained quite a lot for tiny changes in OSX such as inversion-of-scrolling-gesture, new expose behaviour, mission control, and plenty more. But I don't remember apple removing many features from the finder or changing the menu bar since OSX was launched, so I think your simile is misaimed.
raverbashing 13y ago
"see other fruit flavoured platforms pull worse on their user base" No vague assertions, please be more specific "yet their fan base not only approves of it, but they somehow justify" Coincidentally their "fan base" is composed of several people with design and user experience knowledge (in various degrees) so I believe their acceptance of things has a basis. (And it doesn't mean they accept everything) Edit: as an example quoted by the other commenter, inversion of scrolling direction was a big change. But it is configurable, so you can always go back The natural scrolling makes sense if you're using a trackpad, but for a scroll wheel it's awful
- demallien 13y ago
  I've said this before here, but Apple have really concentrated on the laptop experience at the expense of the desktop experience. Which is understandable if you look at their sales figures. I was using a Mac Mini when I first upgraded to Mountain Lion, and really wasn't a big fan. Then I got a Macbook Air, and all of a sudden all of the modifications made sense. Things like the fact that they have optimised the OS for SSDs - which you find in laptops, not desktops. But that optimisation makes hard-drive based Macs much much slower than they were before. Or the fullscreen interface which works really well when you can do a three finger swipe to swap between screens, but not so well if you have a mouse.
  - raverbashing 13y ago
    Yes, agree 100%. Especially with the SSD optimizations (in ML it seems less pronounced, still) Yes, the 3-finger swipe can be only done if you have an Apple trackpad, either the built-in one or you the separate one (I have one of these and it's nice, having come from a trackball) Not sure if you can do this with the magic mouse (maybe there's a different way)
nitrogen 13y ago
I was astonished that the only way to choose a solid color for the OSX desktop background was to use a transparent PNG as the wallpaper image. If the GNOME team is copying Apple, they're barking up the wrong tree, and doing a poor job of it.
- meemo 13y ago
  You can select a solid color in OS X as the background. http://i.imgur.com/oYp2j5n.png http://i.imgur.com/oYp2j5n.png
  - nitrogen 13y ago
    There was no "Custom Color" button in Snow Leopard, the first (and last) version of OS X I ran.
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pan69 13y ago
>> I feel sorry for the Gnome guys - they get crucified if they do or don't advance the platform I don't think this is true. They get crucified because they're trying to create a desktop experience for a market that doesn't exist. Their GNOME 2 user base were all workstation users who were using GNOME 2 in their day to day lives get get work done. Instead of making GNOME 2 better (under the hood) the GNOME developers decided to jump onto the tablet UI bandwagon and drastically change the UI. However, their user base simply didn't need this, they just wanted a more stable desktop top rather than a different one. In my opinion, the crucial mistake the GNOME developers made was forcing this new UI experience through peoples throats by chucking out everything they accomplished with GNOME 2. GNOME 3 should have been a separate project under a different name. If it really was that much better than GNOME 2 then at least people had a choice to switch. But now we can't and everyone is scrambling to find a GNOME 2 replacement..

riffraff 13y ago

I think users complained quite a lot for tiny changes in OSX such as inversion-of-scrolling-gesture, new expose behaviour, mission control, and plenty more. But I don't remember apple removing many features from the finder or changing the menu bar since OSX was launched, so I think your simile is misaimed.

raverbashing 13y ago

"see other fruit flavoured platforms pull worse on their user base" No vague assertions, please be more specific "yet their fan base not only approves of it, but they somehow justify" Coincidentally their "fan base" is composed of several people with design and user experience knowledge (in various degrees) so I believe their acceptance of things has a basis. (And it doesn't mean they accept everything) Edit: as an example quoted by the other commenter, inversion of scrolling direction was a big change. But it is configurable, so you can always go back The natural scrolling makes sense if you're using a trackpad, but for a scroll wheel it's awful

demallien 13y ago
I've said this before here, but Apple have really concentrated on the laptop experience at the expense of the desktop experience. Which is understandable if you look at their sales figures. I was using a Mac Mini when I first upgraded to Mountain Lion, and really wasn't a big fan. Then I got a Macbook Air, and all of a sudden all of the modifications made sense. Things like the fact that they have optimised the OS for SSDs - which you find in laptops, not desktops. But that optimisation makes hard-drive based Macs much much slower than they were before. Or the fullscreen interface which works really well when you can do a three finger swipe to swap between screens, but not so well if you have a mouse.
- raverbashing 13y ago
  Yes, agree 100%. Especially with the SSD optimizations (in ML it seems less pronounced, still) Yes, the 3-finger swipe can be only done if you have an Apple trackpad, either the built-in one or you the separate one (I have one of these and it's nice, having come from a trackball) Not sure if you can do this with the magic mouse (maybe there's a different way)

nitrogen 13y ago

I was astonished that the only way to choose a solid color for the OSX desktop background was to use a transparent PNG as the wallpaper image. If the GNOME team is copying Apple, they're barking up the wrong tree, and doing a poor job of it.

meemo 13y ago
You can select a solid color in OS X as the background. http://i.imgur.com/oYp2j5n.png http://i.imgur.com/oYp2j5n.png
- nitrogen 13y ago
  There was no "Custom Color" button in Snow Leopard, the first (and last) version of OS X I ran.
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pan69 13y ago

>> I feel sorry for the Gnome guys - they get crucified if they do or don't advance the platform I don't think this is true. They get crucified because they're trying to create a desktop experience for a market that doesn't exist. Their GNOME 2 user base were all workstation users who were using GNOME 2 in their day to day lives get get work done. Instead of making GNOME 2 better (under the hood) the GNOME developers decided to jump onto the tablet UI bandwagon and drastically change the UI. However, their user base simply didn't need this, they just wanted a more stable desktop top rather than a different one. In my opinion, the crucial mistake the GNOME developers made was forcing this new UI experience through peoples throats by chucking out everything they accomplished with GNOME 2. GNOME 3 should have been a separate project under a different name. If it really was that much better than GNOME 2 then at least people had a choice to switch. But now we can't and everyone is scrambling to find a GNOME 2 replacement..