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Maybe it's different for security conferences (although I doubt it) but we have a simple rule at 44Con[1]: Don't be a dick. It's a very simple rule and it appli

by iuguy 13y ago

Maybe it's different for security conferences (although I doubt it) but we have a simple rule at 44Con[1]: Don't be a dick. It's a very simple rule and it applies to everyone. If you're a dick, you're asked to stop being a dick. If you continue being a dick, you're warned you'll be asked to leave and if you carry on you will be, possibly assisted by the venue security if you don't take it seriously. Adrian and I really don't need the hassle, running 44Con is a whole year's effort to organise and plan for a 2 day event. If we hear of speakers being dick we'd probably cut them a little leeway for minor dickness but if what Zed asserts is correct we'd treat them the same as anyone else in that sort of situation. And I say this as someone that has no doubt been a dick and done stupid things at conferences. We don't need cards or tons of specific house rules, we just need the basics enforced better to make the event better for everyone. [1] - http://www.44con.com/ http://www.44con.com/

EliRivers 13y ago
Everyone has a different interpretation of what it is "to be a dick"; whilst a nice sentiment, it's like a politician using the phrase "hard-working family" or "common good", and other such glittering generalities[1]. Everyone hears the same words but interprets them according to their own personal values. As such, can you give concrete examples (actual, not hypothetical) of "dickish" behaviour that has been dealt with in this way? [1]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glittering_generality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glittering_generality
- iuguy 13y ago
  Without naming names or dropping people in it, things we've dealt with under the dickishness category: * Comments of an inappropriate sexual nature about people at the conference - warning * Getting stupidly hammered and talking about things that you most certainly shouldn't to people you really shouldn't talk about it with - PNG'd * Getting stupidly hammered, getting rowdy and threatening to hit people - PNG'd * Bringing a huge entourage without telling us - Speaker PNG'd * Sending a recruiter in to put cards on every seat when they have no association with the conference - PNG'd the whole company except people we know are coming as them, not representing the company * Offering to run a party, then stringing us along and lying to us about what you're going to do, then pulling out at the last minute and getting caught lying about the reasons why - PNG'd * Bumping into someone, then acting dickishly towards the person they bumped into when the person being bumped into says excuse me - Warning Bear in mind that the definition of being a dick is down to the organisers and crew and may change at any point in time. If you don't like it, it might not be the conference for you. The big problem I have is that people tend not to tell us stuff at the time so often we only find out months after the event. I am (and all of the crew are) more than happy to sort anything out that needs our intervention, so if you've come to a 44Con and see someone being a dick, please tell the crew and ask them to sort it out. Just realised, for those that don't know, PNG meant Persona Non Grata - i.e. banned from attending in future or having any association with the event.

by iuguy 13y ago

EliRivers 13y ago

Everyone has a different interpretation of what it is "to be a dick"; whilst a nice sentiment, it's like a politician using the phrase "hard-working family" or "common good", and other such glittering generalities[1]. Everyone hears the same words but interprets them according to their own personal values. As such, can you give concrete examples (actual, not hypothetical) of "dickish" behaviour that has been dealt with in this way? [1]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glittering_generality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glittering_generality

iuguy 13y ago
Without naming names or dropping people in it, things we've dealt with under the dickishness category: * Comments of an inappropriate sexual nature about people at the conference - warning * Getting stupidly hammered and talking about things that you most certainly shouldn't to people you really shouldn't talk about it with - PNG'd * Getting stupidly hammered, getting rowdy and threatening to hit people - PNG'd * Bringing a huge entourage without telling us - Speaker PNG'd * Sending a recruiter in to put cards on every seat when they have no association with the conference - PNG'd the whole company except people we know are coming as them, not representing the company * Offering to run a party, then stringing us along and lying to us about what you're going to do, then pulling out at the last minute and getting caught lying about the reasons why - PNG'd * Bumping into someone, then acting dickishly towards the person they bumped into when the person being bumped into says excuse me - Warning Bear in mind that the definition of being a dick is down to the organisers and crew and may change at any point in time. If you don't like it, it might not be the conference for you. The big problem I have is that people tend not to tell us stuff at the time so often we only find out months after the event. I am (and all of the crew are) more than happy to sort anything out that needs our intervention, so if you've come to a 44Con and see someone being a dick, please tell the crew and ask them to sort it out. Just realised, for those that don't know, PNG meant Persona Non Grata - i.e. banned from attending in future or having any association with the event.