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I don't think it's nitpicky at all - it would be different if Skype, Microsoft or anyone else had actually made a promise that messages that pass through their

by glurgh 13y ago

I don't think it's nitpicky at all - it would be different if Skype, Microsoft or anyone else had actually made a promise that messages that pass through their service are unreadable to them. While it's technically possible it's not the norm and it's hard to come up with examples of services that actually do make this promise - tarsnap is one that comes to mind.

rbanffy 13y ago
Readable is one thing. Read and used is a completely different thing.
- glurgh 13y ago
  Is it? Gmail reads and uses all mail and this doesn't seem to have generated a great outburst of controversy.
  - rbanffy 13y ago
    Yeah, right. While both Skype and Gmail store your messages (if you Skype across multiple devices, you'll see logs of conversations that happened on different devices), I don't think Gmail probes every URL you send in your messages. Also, SMTP is not always done under SSL, so, privacy cannot be assured. But that's easily testable. I'll get back to you in a couple hours.
    - alfaomega 13y ago
      I am struggling to under the distinction you're trying to portray. One automatically scans your email to show related ads, another does a HTTP HEAD request to URLs for only the server headers, which they say is for malware scanning purposes. Both are automated jobs. See my other post to see how Google employees have access to all your email, documents, chat transcripts, Google Voice calls, Youtube videos etc. and how a few abused it to stalk teens. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5728707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5728707 As usual, Google gets a free pass and Microsoft gets demonized(they should stop claiming it's end to end encrypted, though). Looking at your HN profile, it's not hard to understand why. Thanks for being honest about disliking Microsoft but please try not to let that color your objective opinions and playing favorites regardless of facts.
      - rbanffy 13y ago
        Did Google ever release a Skype Man video?

by glurgh 13y ago

rbanffy 13y ago

Readable is one thing. Read and used is a completely different thing.

glurgh 13y ago
Is it? Gmail reads and uses all mail and this doesn't seem to have generated a great outburst of controversy.
- rbanffy 13y ago
  Yeah, right. While both Skype and Gmail store your messages (if you Skype across multiple devices, you'll see logs of conversations that happened on different devices), I don't think Gmail probes every URL you send in your messages. Also, SMTP is not always done under SSL, so, privacy cannot be assured. But that's easily testable. I'll get back to you in a couple hours.
  - alfaomega 13y ago
    I am struggling to under the distinction you're trying to portray. One automatically scans your email to show related ads, another does a HTTP HEAD request to URLs for only the server headers, which they say is for malware scanning purposes. Both are automated jobs. See my other post to see how Google employees have access to all your email, documents, chat transcripts, Google Voice calls, Youtube videos etc. and how a few abused it to stalk teens. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5728707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5728707 As usual, Google gets a free pass and Microsoft gets demonized(they should stop claiming it's end to end encrypted, though). Looking at your HN profile, it's not hard to understand why. Thanks for being honest about disliking Microsoft but please try not to let that color your objective opinions and playing favorites regardless of facts.
    - rbanffy 13y ago
      Did Google ever release a Skype Man video?