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I wouldn't conflate the institutional problems plaguing Eclipse with a strict FOSS/paid business dichotomy here, especially because Eclipse was started at IBM,
by phillmv 13y ago
I wouldn't conflate the institutional problems plaguing Eclipse with a strict FOSS/paid business dichotomy here, especially because Eclipse was started at IBM, and continues to be funded and led by IBM/Oracle, etc.
It's tempting to make these sorts of claims because a mild level of user hostility plagues most FOSS gui apps that we encounter, but I think it's more useful to think instead of how difficult it apparently is for organizations to make effective UX design decisions.
It's equally likely that a "horrifyingly designed UI" (much like Eclipse) came out of an Enterprise Software shop.
None of the incentives are aligned toward optimizing user experience (i.e. rarely do the people who use the software the most have any say in how it gets built). And, because the way responsibilities are divided (i.e. one team per set of functionality, I imagine), no one in the leadership structure is empowered to make big changes that affect everyone; and so you're left with small incremental improvements and shitty error messages.
- nsxwolf 13y agoWhen it was VisualAge, it seemed like a pretty good UI back in the day, and compared favorably to the Borland and Microsoft products in use then. So I think maybe IBM can be let off the hook some.
- mongol 13y agoCertainly. When Eclipse arrived, it was better than its alternatives, and it has not become strictly worse. More complicated maybe. But it is still a good IDE, it is just that IDEA is better, and expectations have changed.