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> Companies like Samsung, others and etc are managed by idiots Samsung shareholders may disagree with you there....

by clearly 13y ago

seivan 13y ago
No I am sure, and they are producing more wealth than I (probably) _EVER_ could. But doesn't mean it's a fun place for a designer and/or software engineer to be. It means it's great to be on the board, manager or shareholder. OP is a software engineer.
- _pmf_ 13y ago
  > But doesn't mean it's a fun place for a designer and/or software engineer to be. I bet it was wonderful to work at Apple under Steve Jobs. Just wonderful.
  - seivan 13y ago
    It sounds tough, but at least the thing you do isn't bullshit. I mean. C'mon iOS as an operating system is amazing, working with those engineers would be kick-ass for some people.
- hkmurakami 13y ago
  I would have such a serious moral hazard and hypocrisy problem there that I can't imagine being happy as a manager at Samsung. (I used to be an engineer, transitioned to pm, I'll probably be a suit within the next 5 years sadly) I don't think IP theft and blatant product copying is morally correct, and I can't work at a place where I have to support such practices.
- clearly 13y ago
  So what the previous poster should have said is "managers and my (or our) interests and priorities do not align" rather than being condescending. I couldn't agree more that it's not ideal for a software engineer.
- SupremumLimit 13y ago
  So you're equating "not a fun place for a software engineer" with "managed by idiots"? That's a rather strange attitude, wouldn't you think? I often see this attitude from engineers, and although I am one as well, I always find it puzzling. There's a lot that can be said about bureaucracies, bad management, and lack of innovation. But the world doesn't revolve around writing cool software, and non-engineers aren't all idiots. It's a bit more complicated than that.
kamaal 13y ago
No, share holders care about share prices. Which in big part in large companies comes from existing products/services + incremental work. Big leaps come from acquisitions. You need managers to keep the status quo going. Come in, run affairs as usual and leave.
- dtby 13y ago
  Hi. Continuing to spread your ignorance is greatly welcomed.

> Companies like Samsung, others and etc are managed by idiots Samsung shareholders may disagree with you there....

by clearly 13y ago

> Companies like Samsung, others and etc are managed by idiots Samsung shareholders may disagree with you there....

No I am sure, and they are producing more wealth than I (probably) _EVER_ could. But doesn't mean it's a fun place for a designer and/or software engineer to be. It means it's great to be on the board, manager or shareholder. OP is a software engineer.

_pmf_ 13y ago
> But doesn't mean it's a fun place for a designer and/or software engineer to be. I bet it was wonderful to work at Apple under Steve Jobs. Just wonderful.
- seivan 13y ago
  It sounds tough, but at least the thing you do isn't bullshit. I mean. C'mon iOS as an operating system is amazing, working with those engineers would be kick-ass for some people.
hkmurakami 13y ago
I would have such a serious moral hazard and hypocrisy problem there that I can't imagine being happy as a manager at Samsung. (I used to be an engineer, transitioned to pm, I'll probably be a suit within the next 5 years sadly) I don't think IP theft and blatant product copying is morally correct, and I can't work at a place where I have to support such practices.
clearly 13y ago
So what the previous poster should have said is "managers and my (or our) interests and priorities do not align" rather than being condescending. I couldn't agree more that it's not ideal for a software engineer.
SupremumLimit 13y ago
So you're equating "not a fun place for a software engineer" with "managed by idiots"? That's a rather strange attitude, wouldn't you think? I often see this attitude from engineers, and although I am one as well, I always find it puzzling. There's a lot that can be said about bureaucracies, bad management, and lack of innovation. But the world doesn't revolve around writing cool software, and non-engineers aren't all idiots. It's a bit more complicated than that.

kamaal 13y ago

No, share holders care about share prices. Which in big part in large companies comes from existing products/services + incremental work. Big leaps come from acquisitions. You need managers to keep the status quo going. Come in, run affairs as usual and leave.

dtby 13y ago
Hi. Continuing to spread your ignorance is greatly welcomed.