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I am continually impressed with Warren. If only more of the politicians in this country were as interested in serving the public interest as she is.

protomyth 13y ago
Her claims of ancestry that she does not have in her family tree which she used to get educational placement makes anything she does a loss for me. She has shown she cares quite a bit more about her own interest than at least parts of the public.
- eightyone 13y ago
  It was my understanding that she was told as a child she was part Native American. Reguardless, it sounds like you live in a black and white world. People are good or bad. I'm here to tell you that is simply not so. You're dismissing this letter and her ideas because of past, unrelated indiscretions. You're making a pretty big accusation saying that she isn't looking out for her constituents, whom may I remind you voted her into office with the knowledge regarding her family heritage. Oh, look at that. You've derailed the conversation. How convenient.
  - protomyth 13y ago
    I'm dismissing it because she has shown herself to be of poor character and not corrected her past mistakes and taken advantage where she had no right. It is black and white claiming ancestry, if your family is listed with a tribe - all good - otherwise no. No apology, no public donation to http://www.collegefund.org/ http://www.collegefund.org/ to correct the error, the no reason to trust future motives. Who lost out because she claimed something?
    - eightyone 13y ago
      Ideas should be judged on their merit and their merit alone.
      - protomyth 13y ago
        There are no pure ideas in politics. There is the law, motive, and regulations. The person driving it is of importance on how they dealt with others in the past.
- smutticus 13y ago
  Remember children, ad hominem attacks are what opponents use when their other arguments lack substance.
  - protomyth 13y ago
    Saying it is ad hominem when it isn't is pretty poor too. She claimed something that wasn't true, it goes to her character.
joshuaheard 13y ago
Warren lied about being Native American to benefit from affirmative action. Her credibility is shot. As to Warren's letter, she has spent her entire career in academics and has never worked as a lawyer. She does not know the amount of resources required to participate in a lawsuit and trial. As lawyers, we are constantly encouraged to settle cases to resolve issues rather than spend the time and expense going to trial. We should not be encouraging the government to sue people and take them to trial when they are willing to settle. To take a case to a show trial in order to make an public example of the defendant is bad policy more fitting of a dictatorship.
- smutticus 13y ago
  > Warren lied about being Native American to benefit from affirmative action. Source please. I read this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/09/27/the-fight-over-elizabeth-warrens-heritage-explained/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/09/27/th... But there is a lot more nuance to the story than your simple one liner. For example, it doesn't look like anyone at Harvard knew about her claimed NA heritage before giving her tenure. If you have heard different then please share.
  - joshuaheard 13y ago
    From the article, she admits being listed "as a minority in a directory of law professors" from "1985 to 1996". Then she "was granted tenure in 1995 – [the employer] touted the Democrat’s Native American background as part of an effort to boost its diversity hiring record". So, she publicized herself as a minority. Gets tenure with the employer touting her minority status. Then, she stops calling herself a minority. I think that's pretty convincing she used her false minority status in order to get the job, ie affirmative action.
- d2vid 13y ago
  "Warren lied about being Native American to benefit from affirmative action." Doesn't seem to be true: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-controversy-over-elizabeth-warrens-claimed-native-american-heritage/2012/09/27/d0b7f568-08a5-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_blog.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/everyt...

protomyth 13y ago

Her claims of ancestry that she does not have in her family tree which she used to get educational placement makes anything she does a loss for me. She has shown she cares quite a bit more about her own interest than at least parts of the public.

eightyone 13y ago
It was my understanding that she was told as a child she was part Native American. Reguardless, it sounds like you live in a black and white world. People are good or bad. I'm here to tell you that is simply not so. You're dismissing this letter and her ideas because of past, unrelated indiscretions. You're making a pretty big accusation saying that she isn't looking out for her constituents, whom may I remind you voted her into office with the knowledge regarding her family heritage. Oh, look at that. You've derailed the conversation. How convenient.
- protomyth 13y ago
  I'm dismissing it because she has shown herself to be of poor character and not corrected her past mistakes and taken advantage where she had no right. It is black and white claiming ancestry, if your family is listed with a tribe - all good - otherwise no. No apology, no public donation to http://www.collegefund.org/ http://www.collegefund.org/ to correct the error, the no reason to trust future motives. Who lost out because she claimed something?
  - eightyone 13y ago
    Ideas should be judged on their merit and their merit alone.
    - protomyth 13y ago
      There are no pure ideas in politics. There is the law, motive, and regulations. The person driving it is of importance on how they dealt with others in the past.
smutticus 13y ago
Remember children, ad hominem attacks are what opponents use when their other arguments lack substance.
- protomyth 13y ago
  Saying it is ad hominem when it isn't is pretty poor too. She claimed something that wasn't true, it goes to her character.

joshuaheard 13y ago

Warren lied about being Native American to benefit from affirmative action. Her credibility is shot. As to Warren's letter, she has spent her entire career in academics and has never worked as a lawyer. She does not know the amount of resources required to participate in a lawsuit and trial. As lawyers, we are constantly encouraged to settle cases to resolve issues rather than spend the time and expense going to trial. We should not be encouraging the government to sue people and take them to trial when they are willing to settle. To take a case to a show trial in order to make an public example of the defendant is bad policy more fitting of a dictatorship.

smutticus 13y ago
> Warren lied about being Native American to benefit from affirmative action. Source please. I read this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/09/27/the-fight-over-elizabeth-warrens-heritage-explained/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/09/27/th... But there is a lot more nuance to the story than your simple one liner. For example, it doesn't look like anyone at Harvard knew about her claimed NA heritage before giving her tenure. If you have heard different then please share.
- joshuaheard 13y ago
  From the article, she admits being listed "as a minority in a directory of law professors" from "1985 to 1996". Then she "was granted tenure in 1995 – [the employer] touted the Democrat’s Native American background as part of an effort to boost its diversity hiring record". So, she publicized herself as a minority. Gets tenure with the employer touting her minority status. Then, she stops calling herself a minority. I think that's pretty convincing she used her false minority status in order to get the job, ie affirmative action.
d2vid 13y ago
"Warren lied about being Native American to benefit from affirmative action." Doesn't seem to be true: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-controversy-over-elizabeth-warrens-claimed-native-american-heritage/2012/09/27/d0b7f568-08a5-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_blog.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/everyt...