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YAPC::NA 2013 Will Not Enforce Its Code of Conduct

6 points by turoczy 13y ago

eqhmcow 13y ago
Hacker drama. Schwern is, rightfully if a bit dramatically, upset that apeiron is mean to people on irc. Apeiron is indeed mean to people on irc, especially when those people act in a way that apeiron deems unacceptable. Apeiron is smart and, once you see past and/or put up with his snark and/or temperament, usually fairly level-headed, so he's apparently a respected member of the Perl community. Many people are off-put by apeiron, and Schwern thinks the community should maybe do something about it
pasbesoin 13y ago
I would tend to see the self-interest on the part of the conference organizers in what Schwern is describing: Better to solve a problem before the conference than at the conference. I remember YAPC 2001 so fondly in good part because the community there was so kind and good natured, in addition to all the clever stuff. YAPC at that time was significantly a "bake it yourself" conference, and people pulled together to make it the best they could. TIMTOWTDI. IMO, the way to keep the community going is to embrace this rather than to separate into partisanship and/or class. I'm long separated from the community and so don't know the details. I guess I'm a bit sad that a) A Code of Conduct is needed, these days, and b) An apparent demonstration of that need is not being addressed.
- Mithaldu 13y ago
  Honestly, the conferences are still 99.75% awesome. The CoC was called for because people wish to get the 0.25% under control too and there is a lot of prior art in other hacker communities.
- mst 13y ago
  Actually, it was entirely addressed at the time, at least in so far as the people who complained to the senior opers were concerned. This is one person who's out of touch with the community ignoring the main escalation path, bothering a bunch of unrelated people, and then writing an angry blog post because the unrelated people didn't do anything about a problem that had already been dealt with. It happens; I wouldn't worry too much about it.

6 points by turoczy 13y ago

Hacker drama. Schwern is, rightfully if a bit dramatically, upset that apeiron is mean to people on irc. Apeiron is indeed mean to people on irc, especially when those people act in a way that apeiron deems unacceptable. Apeiron is smart and, once you see past and/or put up with his snark and/or temperament, usually fairly level-headed, so he's apparently a respected member of the Perl community. Many people are off-put by apeiron, and Schwern thinks the community should maybe do something about it

pasbesoin 13y ago

I would tend to see the self-interest on the part of the conference organizers in what Schwern is describing: Better to solve a problem before the conference than at the conference. I remember YAPC 2001 so fondly in good part because the community there was so kind and good natured, in addition to all the clever stuff. YAPC at that time was significantly a "bake it yourself" conference, and people pulled together to make it the best they could. TIMTOWTDI. IMO, the way to keep the community going is to embrace this rather than to separate into partisanship and/or class. I'm long separated from the community and so don't know the details. I guess I'm a bit sad that a) A Code of Conduct is needed, these days, and b) An apparent demonstration of that need is not being addressed.

Mithaldu 13y ago
Honestly, the conferences are still 99.75% awesome. The CoC was called for because people wish to get the 0.25% under control too and there is a lot of prior art in other hacker communities.
mst 13y ago
Actually, it was entirely addressed at the time, at least in so far as the people who complained to the senior opers were concerned. This is one person who's out of touch with the community ignoring the main escalation path, bothering a bunch of unrelated people, and then writing an angry blog post because the unrelated people didn't do anything about a problem that had already been dealt with. It happens; I wouldn't worry too much about it.