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2 - Gmail supports SMTP and IMAP, so any mail client should work. The top hit for [windows 8 gmail] is http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-configure-mail-in-window

2 - Gmail supports SMTP and IMAP, so any mail client should work. The top hit for [windows 8 gmail] is http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-configure-mail-in-windows-8-gmail-hotmail-outlook-yahoo/ http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-configure-mail-in-windows-8... , which indicates that the Windows 8 mail app has an icon specifically for configuring Gmail accounts. 3 - According to http://blog.chromium.org/2012/06/try-chrome-in-metro-mode.html http://blog.chromium.org/2012/06/try-chrome-in-metro-mode.ht... , Chrome has supported Metro since June 2012 when running on a non-RT version of Windows. Computers running Windows 8 RT can't run any browser in Metro mode (see http://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2012/05/09/windows-on-arm-users-need-browser-choice-too/ http://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2012/05/09/windows-on-arm-users... ), so it's not like Google has a choice there. 6 - To root a device means to gain full control over it. It's not obvious how you could have full control over your phone without rooting it.

icambron 13y ago
> It's not obvious how you could have full control over your phone without rooting it. It could come with root access enabled, just like your computer does.
- jmillikin 13y ago
  From a security and reliability perspective, having root enabled by default is a terrible idea. The arms race between OS vendors and malware developers means that defaulting root to disabled is both desirable and inevitable. Only root can install malware into the kernel or BIOS. Only root can pull keys and passwords out of /dev/mem. Only root can damage an installation beyond the ability to factory reset. I eagerly await the day when every major OS will require jumping over some basic hurdle (e.g. rebooting into single-user mode and running /sbin/root-me-harder) before enabling root access, because that will eliminate entire categories of security risks from consumer-oriented computing.
  - nileshtrivedi 13y ago
    Which of these arguments does not apply to computers?
    - jmillikin 13y ago
      I don't understand your question. Just so it's clear, I consider smartphones and tablets to be computers also, and I hope that one day all computers (desktops, laptops, tablets, smartphones, watches, goggles, Borg implants) come with root-equivalent access disabled by default.
      - nileshtrivedi 13y ago
        Fair enough.
dvt 13y ago
2 - http://www.informationweek.com/byte/personal-tech/mobile-applications/gmail-users-cut-off-in-windows-8/240151889 http://www.informationweek.com/byte/personal-tech/mobile-app... 3 - There is no native Metro Chrome app (talking x86 or x86-64 here, I address RT in my subsequent point), so I'm not sure what you're talking about. The current Metro implementation is NOT a true Metro implementation (it's just the desktop app stuck in a metro window -- no gestures, no larger fonts, etc, etc). 6 - Someone already addressed this point
- jmillikin 13y ago
  2 - According to that article, Microsoft disabled access to EAS even for Google accounts that still supported it, and has not yet added support for the standardized contact/calendar protocols supported by Google Apps. That is not the same thing as "can't use GMail in the vanilla mail app on my touchscreen W8 laptop". In particular, unless the mail app somehow dropped support for SMTP/IMAP, then it will support Gmail perfectly just like any other desktop client. 3 - So your complaint is that the Metro version of Chrome does not support some Metro features? Again, that is absolutely not the same as "can't have a Metro Chrome app".
  - dvt 13y ago
    2 - I guess my quip should have said "thanks Microsoft" in retrospect. (Although even if I wanted to run GMail natively, there's no Windows store app made by Google when there's one made by Yahoo, for example; I would ask why).. 3 - Sorry, but I don't buy this. A desktop app copy-pasted onto a Metro frame (I have no idea what the containers are called so excuse my ignorance) is NOT a Metro app (like the one Mozilla is working on, for example: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Metro https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Metro).

icambron 13y ago

> It's not obvious how you could have full control over your phone without rooting it. It could come with root access enabled, just like your computer does.

jmillikin 13y ago
From a security and reliability perspective, having root enabled by default is a terrible idea. The arms race between OS vendors and malware developers means that defaulting root to disabled is both desirable and inevitable. Only root can install malware into the kernel or BIOS. Only root can pull keys and passwords out of /dev/mem. Only root can damage an installation beyond the ability to factory reset. I eagerly await the day when every major OS will require jumping over some basic hurdle (e.g. rebooting into single-user mode and running /sbin/root-me-harder) before enabling root access, because that will eliminate entire categories of security risks from consumer-oriented computing.
- nileshtrivedi 13y ago
  Which of these arguments does not apply to computers?
  - jmillikin 13y ago
    I don't understand your question. Just so it's clear, I consider smartphones and tablets to be computers also, and I hope that one day all computers (desktops, laptops, tablets, smartphones, watches, goggles, Borg implants) come with root-equivalent access disabled by default.
    - nileshtrivedi 13y ago
      Fair enough.

dvt 13y ago

2 - http://www.informationweek.com/byte/personal-tech/mobile-applications/gmail-users-cut-off-in-windows-8/240151889 http://www.informationweek.com/byte/personal-tech/mobile-app... 3 - There is no native Metro Chrome app (talking x86 or x86-64 here, I address RT in my subsequent point), so I'm not sure what you're talking about. The current Metro implementation is NOT a true Metro implementation (it's just the desktop app stuck in a metro window -- no gestures, no larger fonts, etc, etc). 6 - Someone already addressed this point

jmillikin 13y ago
2 - According to that article, Microsoft disabled access to EAS even for Google accounts that still supported it, and has not yet added support for the standardized contact/calendar protocols supported by Google Apps. That is not the same thing as "can't use GMail in the vanilla mail app on my touchscreen W8 laptop". In particular, unless the mail app somehow dropped support for SMTP/IMAP, then it will support Gmail perfectly just like any other desktop client. 3 - So your complaint is that the Metro version of Chrome does not support some Metro features? Again, that is absolutely not the same as "can't have a Metro Chrome app".
- dvt 13y ago
  2 - I guess my quip should have said "thanks Microsoft" in retrospect. (Although even if I wanted to run GMail natively, there's no Windows store app made by Google when there's one made by Yahoo, for example; I would ask why).. 3 - Sorry, but I don't buy this. A desktop app copy-pasted onto a Metro frame (I have no idea what the containers are called so excuse my ignorance) is NOT a Metro app (like the one Mozilla is working on, for example: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Metro https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Metro).