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This is disgusting. Is this really how Florida treats its own? I grew up in Southern California and I blew out the circuits on my junior high's science building

by u2328 13y ago

This is disgusting. Is this really how Florida treats its own? I grew up in Southern California and I blew out the circuits on my junior high's science building once. I got a firm talking to, a two-day suspension, and a uncool nickname out of it, but that was it.

will_brown 13y ago
It is worse than you think, here is a small excerpt about Florida students: In Florida, students have been arrested for bringing a plastic butter knife to school, throwing an eraser, and drawing a picture of a gun. The eleven-year-old who allegedly brought a plastic butter knife to school was handcuffed, taken to jail, and charged with a third-degree felony. Legislation recently passed unanimously by the Florida Senate could change all that by prohibiting schools from calling the police for nonviolent misdemeanors. "Throw an eraser and they want to call it throwing a deadly missile, which is a felony," said state Sen. Stephen Wise (R-Jacksonville), the senate sponsor of the legislation, which has yet to clear the state house. "When you get into the juvenile justice system everybody thinks your sins are forgiven when you turn 18, and I will assure you that doesn't happen. It's a blemish on your record." http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2009/june09/zero-tolerance-states.html http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2009/june09/zero-tolerance... I am personally aware of two FL elementary cases one where a student was charged for throwing a deadly missle, which was a paper ball, and the other a boy kissed a girl on the school playground and was charged with sexual harassment. I wish I could say I am joking...
- btbuildem 13y ago
  Good thing the sea levels are rising..
csense 13y ago
> I got a firm talking to, a two-day suspension, and a uncool nickname out of it, but that was it. Was this before, or after, the Columbine school shootings in 1999 and the terrorist attacks of Sep. 11, 2001?
- nitrogen 13y ago
  Columbine wasn't the first school shooting[0], and 9/11 wasn't the first terrorist attack. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_secondary_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_sec... (The list begins with an incident in 1853)
  - angersock 13y ago
    it changed everything dont you see (why do you hate america)
  - aplusbi 13y ago
    Columbine had a major effect on the way US schools deal with violence, threats or even just weird kids. 9/11 had a profound effect on how the US deals with terrorism, threats of terrorism or even just brown people. Certainly not the first, but probably the events with the most lasting effects.
- shocks 13y ago
  I realise you haven't directly stated that you support these actions, I would like to make the following comment since it seams to me that you think school shootings and terrorist attacks are valid reasons for this behaviour. I believe while you are under the impression your government and law enforcement agencies are just doing more to protect you, you are actually relinquishing your freedom in exchange for false hope and allowing your government to nerf the world, and allowing the terrorists to win. Arresting 11 year olds for bringing a plastic knife to school is ridiculous behaviour and should not be allowed (or encounraged) under the guise of "protecting us from school attacks and terrorists". (I say 'your' because I am actually a UK citizen. While the ridiculous behaviour of the Americans is not really a concern of mine, I worry that other countries and governments will follow suit. That said, we're not dumb enough to allow rampant legal gun ownership. Sorry.)
  - icambron 13y ago
    Nor did it indirectly state it. It's certainly true that those events resulted in increased sensitivity towards school violence and explosions, so it's worth asking what context the GP's actions happened in-- doesn't imply the sensitivity is a good idea. I don't believe you can read any value judgement out of csense's comment at all. Don't put words in other people's mouths and then lecture them about it. Edit: clarity

by u2328 13y ago

will_brown 13y ago

It is worse than you think, here is a small excerpt about Florida students: In Florida, students have been arrested for bringing a plastic butter knife to school, throwing an eraser, and drawing a picture of a gun. The eleven-year-old who allegedly brought a plastic butter knife to school was handcuffed, taken to jail, and charged with a third-degree felony. Legislation recently passed unanimously by the Florida Senate could change all that by prohibiting schools from calling the police for nonviolent misdemeanors. "Throw an eraser and they want to call it throwing a deadly missile, which is a felony," said state Sen. Stephen Wise (R-Jacksonville), the senate sponsor of the legislation, which has yet to clear the state house. "When you get into the juvenile justice system everybody thinks your sins are forgiven when you turn 18, and I will assure you that doesn't happen. It's a blemish on your record." http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2009/june09/zero-tolerance-states.html http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/2009/june09/zero-tolerance... I am personally aware of two FL elementary cases one where a student was charged for throwing a deadly missle, which was a paper ball, and the other a boy kissed a girl on the school playground and was charged with sexual harassment. I wish I could say I am joking...

btbuildem 13y ago
Good thing the sea levels are rising..

csense 13y ago

> I got a firm talking to, a two-day suspension, and a uncool nickname out of it, but that was it. Was this before, or after, the Columbine school shootings in 1999 and the terrorist attacks of Sep. 11, 2001?

nitrogen 13y ago
Columbine wasn't the first school shooting[0], and 9/11 wasn't the first terrorist attack. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_secondary_schools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_sec... (The list begins with an incident in 1853)
- angersock 13y ago
  it changed everything dont you see (why do you hate america)
- aplusbi 13y ago
  Columbine had a major effect on the way US schools deal with violence, threats or even just weird kids. 9/11 had a profound effect on how the US deals with terrorism, threats of terrorism or even just brown people. Certainly not the first, but probably the events with the most lasting effects.
shocks 13y ago
I realise you haven't directly stated that you support these actions, I would like to make the following comment since it seams to me that you think school shootings and terrorist attacks are valid reasons for this behaviour. I believe while you are under the impression your government and law enforcement agencies are just doing more to protect you, you are actually relinquishing your freedom in exchange for false hope and allowing your government to nerf the world, and allowing the terrorists to win. Arresting 11 year olds for bringing a plastic knife to school is ridiculous behaviour and should not be allowed (or encounraged) under the guise of "protecting us from school attacks and terrorists". (I say 'your' because I am actually a UK citizen. While the ridiculous behaviour of the Americans is not really a concern of mine, I worry that other countries and governments will follow suit. That said, we're not dumb enough to allow rampant legal gun ownership. Sorry.)
- icambron 13y ago
  Nor did it indirectly state it. It's certainly true that those events resulted in increased sensitivity towards school violence and explosions, so it's worth asking what context the GP's actions happened in-- doesn't imply the sensitivity is a good idea. I don't believe you can read any value judgement out of csense's comment at all. Don't put words in other people's mouths and then lecture them about it. Edit: clarity