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The issue is that the app is not displaying ads, which is against the TOS.

cooldeal 13y ago
The issue that triggers that problem is that Google refuses to either give them access to the YouTube API like it does for iOS and Android or makes a WP app itself.
- Someone 13y ago
  did for iOS (http://t.nbcnews.com/technology/apple-says-youtube-app-wont-be-part-new-mobile-software-927116 http://t.nbcnews.com/technology/apple-says-youtube-app-wont-...) There is a Google YouTube app for iOS, though.
  - CloudNine 13y ago
    Apple developed the original YouTube iOS app with Google's blessings and pulled it after Google released their own official version.
- lern_too_spel 13y ago
  The API is JSON over HTTP. Getting permission to use it is a completely automated process.
  - cooldeal 13y ago
    And I would assume getting banned from the API is also a completely automated process. https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/getting-started#quota https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/getting-started#quo...
- rbanffy 13y ago
  I guess the Windows Phone guys don't talk to their Xbox counterparts... http://venturebeat.com/2012/08/28/youtube-xbox-app/ http://venturebeat.com/2012/08/28/youtube-xbox-app/
  - MysticMan 13y ago
    So what? I think the XBox YouTube app was developed by Google, not Microsoft. http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=3013407 http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&an... WP does not ban adding ads to apps. If Google made a competing game console, would be interesting to see if they would have withheld it like they do on Windows Phone.
kyrias 13y ago
and that there's a download button.
anonymfus 13y ago
But if app is not using official YouTube API, then TOS for API are not applicable for it. So in legal sense this must be equal to browser with built-in ad blocker. Except trademark problem.
makomk 13y ago
Actually, I suspect that it might mainly be the video download functionality that's made Google pissed off. They've mostly turned a blind eye to blocking ads on YouTube - there's even extensions on the Chrome Web Store specifically advertised as YouTube ad blockers - but they're really aggressive towards YouTube downloader software. (Though they're probably less willing to turn a blind eye in general when platform owners like Microsoft do it.)
recoiledsnake 13y ago
>The issue is that the app is not displaying ads, which is against the TOS. Microsoft has responded to the takedown notice. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5715889 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5715889 (Edit: looks like that submission is getting flagged as well. I guess this story really isn't showing Google is good light if Google fans are in such heavy damage control mode. It looks like they have a veto on what appears on the HN front page. Look you may not like Microsoft and even its response but why try to bury a legitimate news item? Not enough Google I/O posts on front page? ). "We’d be more than happy to include advertising but need Google to provide us access to the necessary APIs. In light of Larry Page’s comments today calling for more interoperability and less negativity, we look forward to solving this matter together for our mutual customers." I wonder what happens if Microsoft doesn't back down till they get access to the ads API, will Google file a lawsuit? Interesting times!
- Bill_Dimm 13y ago
  Ars Technica includes Microsoft's response about needing the API and then mentions[1]: "It's perhaps notable that the YouTube app for Xbox DOES include support for ads, and has done since last year." http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/05/google-tells-microsoft-to-cease-and-desist-its-ad-free-youtube-app/ http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/05/google-tells-microsof...
- agravier 13y ago
  Did MS ask for API access first?

The issue that triggers that problem is that Google refuses to either give them access to the YouTube API like it does for iOS and Android or makes a WP app itself.

Someone 13y ago
did for iOS (http://t.nbcnews.com/technology/apple-says-youtube-app-wont-be-part-new-mobile-software-927116 http://t.nbcnews.com/technology/apple-says-youtube-app-wont-...) There is a Google YouTube app for iOS, though.
- CloudNine 13y ago
  Apple developed the original YouTube iOS app with Google's blessings and pulled it after Google released their own official version.
lern_too_spel 13y ago
The API is JSON over HTTP. Getting permission to use it is a completely automated process.
- cooldeal 13y ago
  And I would assume getting banned from the API is also a completely automated process. https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/getting-started#quota https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/getting-started#quo...
rbanffy 13y ago
I guess the Windows Phone guys don't talk to their Xbox counterparts... http://venturebeat.com/2012/08/28/youtube-xbox-app/ http://venturebeat.com/2012/08/28/youtube-xbox-app/
- MysticMan 13y ago
  So what? I think the XBox YouTube app was developed by Google, not Microsoft. http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=3013407 http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&an... WP does not ban adding ads to apps. If Google made a competing game console, would be interesting to see if they would have withheld it like they do on Windows Phone.

kyrias 13y ago

and that there's a download button.

anonymfus 13y ago

But if app is not using official YouTube API, then TOS for API are not applicable for it. So in legal sense this must be equal to browser with built-in ad blocker. Except trademark problem.

makomk 13y ago

Actually, I suspect that it might mainly be the video download functionality that's made Google pissed off. They've mostly turned a blind eye to blocking ads on YouTube - there's even extensions on the Chrome Web Store specifically advertised as YouTube ad blockers - but they're really aggressive towards YouTube downloader software. (Though they're probably less willing to turn a blind eye in general when platform owners like Microsoft do it.)

recoiledsnake 13y ago

>The issue is that the app is not displaying ads, which is against the TOS. Microsoft has responded to the takedown notice. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5715889 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5715889 (Edit: looks like that submission is getting flagged as well. I guess this story really isn't showing Google is good light if Google fans are in such heavy damage control mode. It looks like they have a veto on what appears on the HN front page. Look you may not like Microsoft and even its response but why try to bury a legitimate news item? Not enough Google I/O posts on front page? ). "We’d be more than happy to include advertising but need Google to provide us access to the necessary APIs. In light of Larry Page’s comments today calling for more interoperability and less negativity, we look forward to solving this matter together for our mutual customers." I wonder what happens if Microsoft doesn't back down till they get access to the ads API, will Google file a lawsuit? Interesting times!

Bill_Dimm 13y ago
Ars Technica includes Microsoft's response about needing the API and then mentions[1]: "It's perhaps notable that the YouTube app for Xbox DOES include support for ads, and has done since last year." http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/05/google-tells-microsoft-to-cease-and-desist-its-ad-free-youtube-app/ http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/05/google-tells-microsof...
agravier 13y ago
Did MS ask for API access first?