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Because quality projects like symphony Symfony 2 does not fit into his works view of php.

astrodust 13y ago
If Symfony is so amazing, why does nobody use it? I mean nobody in the almost literal sense. Stack Overflow serves as a rough barometer of popularity and either Symfony users have no questions, use another support platform, or they don't make up a significant population. The #1 problem with the PHP community is it's complete anarchy and filled with people that should not be developing web apps, or at least should not be developing the way they're going about it. Maybe Symfony could fix that, but there's a lot of work to be done here.
- jtreminio 13y ago
  You'd be very incorrect if you thought no one was using Symfony2. I am specifically talking about Symfony2, by the way. A great number of frameworks and CMSs are using Symfony2 components. Two popular ones are the http-kernel and http-foundation components. Drupal is integrating several Symfony2 components. Composer, the PHP package manager that has taken the community by storm, is using Symfony components. eZ publish is integrating several Symfony2 components. Joomla! adopted YAML, using a Symfony2 component. Stating that Symfony2 is not widely used simply tells me you're not keeping up with the PHP community - which would be fine if you're not a PHP developer, but makes your statement not trustworthy. edit: PHPUnit, the defacto standard PHP unit testing framework, also uses Symfony2's YAML component. I can go on.
  - astrodust 13y ago
    It's like Symfony2 is a gourmet restaurant in a town that finds McDonald's too expensive. Nobody uses Drupal, or eZ Publish or Joomla. They just don't. There's good reasons for this, notably these are some really obnoxious platforms to build for, but that aside their impact on the PHP world at large is inconsequential. PHP, by and large, consists of people slamming together applications from the ground up the same way they built them in the 1990s. It shouldn't be this way, and people should fix it through education and outreach, but I really don't see that happening on the scale that's required. Also, if you think even a quarter of the PHP devs out there even know what a unit testing framework is, you're more of an optimist than I am.

If Symfony is so amazing, why does nobody use it? I mean nobody in the almost literal sense. Stack Overflow serves as a rough barometer of popularity and either Symfony users have no questions, use another support platform, or they don't make up a significant population. The #1 problem with the PHP community is it's complete anarchy and filled with people that should not be developing web apps, or at least should not be developing the way they're going about it. Maybe Symfony could fix that, but there's a lot of work to be done here.

jtreminio 13y ago
You'd be very incorrect if you thought no one was using Symfony2. I am specifically talking about Symfony2, by the way. A great number of frameworks and CMSs are using Symfony2 components. Two popular ones are the http-kernel and http-foundation components. Drupal is integrating several Symfony2 components. Composer, the PHP package manager that has taken the community by storm, is using Symfony components. eZ publish is integrating several Symfony2 components. Joomla! adopted YAML, using a Symfony2 component. Stating that Symfony2 is not widely used simply tells me you're not keeping up with the PHP community - which would be fine if you're not a PHP developer, but makes your statement not trustworthy. edit: PHPUnit, the defacto standard PHP unit testing framework, also uses Symfony2's YAML component. I can go on.
- astrodust 13y ago
  It's like Symfony2 is a gourmet restaurant in a town that finds McDonald's too expensive. Nobody uses Drupal, or eZ Publish or Joomla. They just don't. There's good reasons for this, notably these are some really obnoxious platforms to build for, but that aside their impact on the PHP world at large is inconsequential. PHP, by and large, consists of people slamming together applications from the ground up the same way they built them in the 1990s. It shouldn't be this way, and people should fix it through education and outreach, but I really don't see that happening on the scale that's required. Also, if you think even a quarter of the PHP devs out there even know what a unit testing framework is, you're more of an optimist than I am.