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Nope. Even companies with a large sum of VC, let's say >5m€ don't pay fair salaries. Siemens, Allianz, younameit pay way more + have a lot of benfits, less stre

by rmoriz 13y ago

Nope. Even companies with a large sum of VC, let's say >5m€ don't pay fair salaries. Siemens, Allianz, younameit pay way more + have a lot of benfits, less stress more (real) job security and a development perspective (career path). Same for freelancers. Sometimes I see very large teams of mediocre developers. Why didn't they hire 2-3 (more expensive) experts instead of 10 juniors? Maybe because they doing this because of an aqui-hire exits or some ridiculous "hire 10 people" todo that their VC dictate.

seivan 13y ago
I see that too.
ccdan 13y ago
>>Why didn't they hire 2-3 (more expensive) experts instead of 10 juniors? << For the same reason they don't hire 2-3 architects instead of one architect and 10 workers to build a small house. Actually hiring solely "experts" the productivity may be lower because they're used to doing only certain kinds of things.
- rmoriz 13y ago
  Experts are developers, too. They code faster/have a better focus. An architect usually can't build a house.
  - ccdan 13y ago
    Yeah, but there are large software systems with a lot of boring, repetitive stuff that is being done.
    - rmoriz 13y ago
      In startups? Then they're doing it wrong. Even in enterprise-size businesses they're doing it wrong. If manual repetition of a task occurs it has to be automated or refactored if it costs significant developer time (=money): http://xkcd.com/1205/ http://xkcd.com/1205/
      - ccdan 13y ago
        Repetitions are often a result of changing requirements things that can't (normally) be automated. If you think that enterprises are doing it wrong and you know more than them, you could become rich by showing them the right way of doing things - on one condition: you have to prove what you're claiming. :)
        rmoriz 13y ago
        It's a myth that large companies have a lot of repitition tasks. They know how to automate. No need to tell them what they already do. As my postings are focussed on the German market, I rarely see real Lean Startups that. It's still very common to build one thing big and to hope that it succeeds. So actually you don't start from scratch more than 1 time except some low profile developers messed it up.

by rmoriz 13y ago

seivan 13y ago

I see that too.

ccdan 13y ago

>>Why didn't they hire 2-3 (more expensive) experts instead of 10 juniors? << For the same reason they don't hire 2-3 architects instead of one architect and 10 workers to build a small house. Actually hiring solely "experts" the productivity may be lower because they're used to doing only certain kinds of things.

rmoriz 13y ago
Experts are developers, too. They code faster/have a better focus. An architect usually can't build a house.
- ccdan 13y ago
  Yeah, but there are large software systems with a lot of boring, repetitive stuff that is being done.
  - rmoriz 13y ago
    In startups? Then they're doing it wrong. Even in enterprise-size businesses they're doing it wrong. If manual repetition of a task occurs it has to be automated or refactored if it costs significant developer time (=money): http://xkcd.com/1205/ http://xkcd.com/1205/
    - ccdan 13y ago
      Repetitions are often a result of changing requirements things that can't (normally) be automated. If you think that enterprises are doing it wrong and you know more than them, you could become rich by showing them the right way of doing things - on one condition: you have to prove what you're claiming. :)
      - rmoriz 13y ago
        It's a myth that large companies have a lot of repitition tasks. They know how to automate. No need to tell them what they already do. As my postings are focussed on the German market, I rarely see real Lean Startups that. It's still very common to build one thing big and to hope that it succeeds. So actually you don't start from scratch more than 1 time except some low profile developers messed it up.