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Isn't this a problem inherent with dogfooding, and not isolated to Facebook? Building it and using it doesn't mean you want to in the first place. >It’s always

by nchlswu 13y ago

Isn't this a problem inherent with dogfooding, and not isolated to Facebook? Building it and using it doesn't mean you want to in the first place. >It’s always a sign of trouble when you’ve built something you don’t want to use yourself. I'm not convinced that this can be isolated to this alone. I doubt a homescreen alone would make someone want to jump ship from one ecosystem to another >Why does everyone I know who works at Apple carry an iPhone? Every single one? Not because they have to. It’s because they want to. I was under the impression that this is an Apple culture thing? It's alleged that if you wear a competitor's brand on Nike Campus, you'll be politely asked to leave (or forced to buy a new pair of shoes while they burn yours). what is Apple's culture's take on this? >(Doesn’t look like it, judging by the “via Twitter for iPhone” metadata on his recent tweets. I know Twitter clients can still access the data, I'm guessing there's no easy way to do it

uptown 13y ago
"I'm guessing there's no easy way to do it" no easy way to do what?
- nchlswu 13y ago
  oops. access the Metadata (ie. "Sent from _____) from Twitter without a client
seiji 13y ago
this is an Apple culture thing? It's not a huge sacrifice to voluntarily use the best product in a category. The number of Apple employees who want to use a non-iphone device is probably less than two percent. At other companies, I imagine it would be like working at a car dealer. You could work at a Nissan dealership but still drive a Prius.
- unalone 13y ago
  > It's not a huge sacrifice to voluntarily use the best product in a category. The number of Apple employees who want to use a non-iphone device is probably less than two percent. You know, I am a huge Apple fan, but I don't like this argument. It suggests there are no valid reasons to prefer Android or even Windows to iOS, when in fact both Android's and Windows's designs offer a number of features that iOS lacks. While I don't think either come within spitting distance of iOS's build quality, there are plenty of reasons to want to use them anyway. Particularly since Apple is a company which hires plenty of programmers, I imagine there'd be plenty of users who want to use an open-source phone OS. Unless they're all jailbreaking their iPhones, which would be pretty amusing actually.
  - seiji 13y ago
    Unless they're all jailbreaking their iPhones A lot of Apple employees (cupertino engineering department people, not retail flees or nongineers) walk around with engineering builds on their phones with less handcuffed lockdown. There are clever builds running around in China factories for device bring-up and testing too, but I haven't seen any of those leaked. there are no valid reasons to prefer Android or even Windows to iOS I agree. (yay selective quoting!) But honestly, Windows Mobile (is that what they call it now? Does it have another eight brand identifiers tacked on?) doesn't have enough install base. Everybody in the Sane World™ has an iOS-first and sometimes iOS-only mobile app approach. As for Android (which is kinda meaningless. It's like saying "Linux" when you're talking about a Linksys router or the entirety of AWS), the rampant security failures, hacks, crapmalware, and the feeling of "it requires as much attention as maintaining a laptop" by people I know puts it right of the running. Maybe it's perfect for somebody who needs a hobby (a lot of people enjoy riding and maintaining motorcycles on the weekend too), but I need my things to work, work well, keep working, and unobtrusively get out of my way after being used. All that being said, Apple is dead. Apple has no defense against the awesome creepiness of Google Spyware (Now) and that'll drive the future. They can't fight forever. Apple and Google will have to make up eventually. The only saving grace we have is Google is such crap at marketing things, they called their personal assistant "Now" instead of giving it a name and personality people can relate to. People enjoy thinking "Siri" is an actual person. Google doesn't get that. (Hey Google, I'm available to fix all your shit and complete your instrumentality plans. Give me a call.)
    - hack_edu 13y ago
      Explain how Google Now is any more spyware than what goes on with browser tracking throughout the industry. That's no excuse for spyware, but there's little warrant in singling out Google here. In fact, Google Now seems to really just be the use of the data that's been tracked (by all parties discussed in this subcomment thread) for years into a package that's user facing and easier to digest. And let's not fool ourselves that Apple isn't tracking in such a "spyware" fashion just the same.
      - 13y ago
- kaoD 13y ago
  > It's not a huge sacrifice to voluntarily use the best product in a category Flamebait spotted.
MatthewPhillips 13y ago
> I was under the impression that this is an Apple culture thing? It's alleged that if you wear a competitor's brand on Nike Campus, you'll be politely asked to leave (or forced to buy a new pair of shoes while they burn yours). what is Apple's culture's take on this? At just about every company there is some level of expectation that you'll use the company's products and not the competitors. It's true that there is a line some where between expecting employees to "back the company" and expecting a cultist devotion to everything they do. However, not using products that you yourself work on is really bizarre. That's the type of thing that happens in enterprises where you work on projects you are assigned to, not ones you have an interest in. I wouldn't think that's how it works at Facebook.
- npsimons 13y ago
  FWIW, when I did my onsite interview with Google a few years back, I saw a pretty good mix of Apple and other brands (both laptop and phone wise). Didn't see a whole lot of tablets, but this was before they really took off. Maybe some companies are just less draconian and more forward thinking than others? Any company that told me I couldn't use a certain product or brand, no matter what it was, wouldn't have me as an employee for long.
  - MatthewPhillips 13y ago
    Did you see people using Bing?
    - npsimons 13y ago
      You mean people use Bing? Joking aside, I didn't really get much of a chance to see a lot of screens (whiteboards, and all that), not to mention that this may have been before Bing. I mostly noticed in quick glances I would see someone sitting with a laptop with the Apple logo on the back, next to someone with a Thinkpad, for example; it seemed fairly random, with no single brand being dominant. Not to mention that since I didn't get a close look at a lot of screens, I didn't see whether they were running OSX or something else. A healthy dose of dogfooding can go a long ways, I strongly believe; but checking out the competition to see where you stand is also never a bad idea, not to mention that trying out different technologies is just part of being professional. Moderation in all things and all that.

by nchlswu 13y ago

uptown 13y ago

"I'm guessing there's no easy way to do it" no easy way to do what?

nchlswu 13y ago
oops. access the Metadata (ie. "Sent from _____) from Twitter without a client

seiji 13y ago

this is an Apple culture thing? It's not a huge sacrifice to voluntarily use the best product in a category. The number of Apple employees who want to use a non-iphone device is probably less than two percent. At other companies, I imagine it would be like working at a car dealer. You could work at a Nissan dealership but still drive a Prius.

unalone 13y ago
> It's not a huge sacrifice to voluntarily use the best product in a category. The number of Apple employees who want to use a non-iphone device is probably less than two percent. You know, I am a huge Apple fan, but I don't like this argument. It suggests there are no valid reasons to prefer Android or even Windows to iOS, when in fact both Android's and Windows's designs offer a number of features that iOS lacks. While I don't think either come within spitting distance of iOS's build quality, there are plenty of reasons to want to use them anyway. Particularly since Apple is a company which hires plenty of programmers, I imagine there'd be plenty of users who want to use an open-source phone OS. Unless they're all jailbreaking their iPhones, which would be pretty amusing actually.
- seiji 13y ago
  Unless they're all jailbreaking their iPhones A lot of Apple employees (cupertino engineering department people, not retail flees or nongineers) walk around with engineering builds on their phones with less handcuffed lockdown. There are clever builds running around in China factories for device bring-up and testing too, but I haven't seen any of those leaked. there are no valid reasons to prefer Android or even Windows to iOS I agree. (yay selective quoting!) But honestly, Windows Mobile (is that what they call it now? Does it have another eight brand identifiers tacked on?) doesn't have enough install base. Everybody in the Sane World™ has an iOS-first and sometimes iOS-only mobile app approach. As for Android (which is kinda meaningless. It's like saying "Linux" when you're talking about a Linksys router or the entirety of AWS), the rampant security failures, hacks, crapmalware, and the feeling of "it requires as much attention as maintaining a laptop" by people I know puts it right of the running. Maybe it's perfect for somebody who needs a hobby (a lot of people enjoy riding and maintaining motorcycles on the weekend too), but I need my things to work, work well, keep working, and unobtrusively get out of my way after being used. All that being said, Apple is dead. Apple has no defense against the awesome creepiness of Google Spyware (Now) and that'll drive the future. They can't fight forever. Apple and Google will have to make up eventually. The only saving grace we have is Google is such crap at marketing things, they called their personal assistant "Now" instead of giving it a name and personality people can relate to. People enjoy thinking "Siri" is an actual person. Google doesn't get that. (Hey Google, I'm available to fix all your shit and complete your instrumentality plans. Give me a call.)
  - hack_edu 13y ago
    Explain how Google Now is any more spyware than what goes on with browser tracking throughout the industry. That's no excuse for spyware, but there's little warrant in singling out Google here. In fact, Google Now seems to really just be the use of the data that's been tracked (by all parties discussed in this subcomment thread) for years into a package that's user facing and easier to digest. And let's not fool ourselves that Apple isn't tracking in such a "spyware" fashion just the same.
    - 13y ago
kaoD 13y ago
> It's not a huge sacrifice to voluntarily use the best product in a category Flamebait spotted.

MatthewPhillips 13y ago

> I was under the impression that this is an Apple culture thing? It's alleged that if you wear a competitor's brand on Nike Campus, you'll be politely asked to leave (or forced to buy a new pair of shoes while they burn yours). what is Apple's culture's take on this? At just about every company there is some level of expectation that you'll use the company's products and not the competitors. It's true that there is a line some where between expecting employees to "back the company" and expecting a cultist devotion to everything they do. However, not using products that you yourself work on is really bizarre. That's the type of thing that happens in enterprises where you work on projects you are assigned to, not ones you have an interest in. I wouldn't think that's how it works at Facebook.

npsimons 13y ago
FWIW, when I did my onsite interview with Google a few years back, I saw a pretty good mix of Apple and other brands (both laptop and phone wise). Didn't see a whole lot of tablets, but this was before they really took off. Maybe some companies are just less draconian and more forward thinking than others? Any company that told me I couldn't use a certain product or brand, no matter what it was, wouldn't have me as an employee for long.
- MatthewPhillips 13y ago
  Did you see people using Bing?
  - npsimons 13y ago
    You mean people use Bing? Joking aside, I didn't really get much of a chance to see a lot of screens (whiteboards, and all that), not to mention that this may have been before Bing. I mostly noticed in quick glances I would see someone sitting with a laptop with the Apple logo on the back, next to someone with a Thinkpad, for example; it seemed fairly random, with no single brand being dominant. Not to mention that since I didn't get a close look at a lot of screens, I didn't see whether they were running OSX or something else. A healthy dose of dogfooding can go a long ways, I strongly believe; but checking out the competition to see where you stand is also never a bad idea, not to mention that trying out different technologies is just part of being professional. Moderation in all things and all that.