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150,000 cloud virtual machines will help solve mysteries of the Universe

24 points by eLobato 13y ago

eLobato 13y ago
If anyone has any questions about this, I'm part of one of the teams mentioned on the article and I'll be happy to answer them
- nos4A2 13y ago
  Why is a cloud model chosen instead of a compute cluster (like the Titan), running maybe GPGPU? Or to put it another way, what kind of workload is benefited by a cloud instead of a compute cluster?
  - incision 13y ago
    I second that question. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking that a system like this could simplify carving/sharing resources - elasticity seems to be a defining "cloud" characteristic. Also, adding an additional layer of abstraction could enable/simplify upgrade of the underlying infrastructure.
  - eLobato 13y ago
    I arrived at CERN when the decisions about this were made already, so I'm mostly involved with the actual implementation. I would say that the main reason is that a lot of experiments (not just the higgs boson search) are going on here right now. Somehow you need to distribute resources and let people do stuff with them and the centrally managed Openstack/Puppet stack vastly facilitates the task. The fact these solutions are open source and we can add our stuff (or others) on top of the code is also quite important for us.
- dwighteb 13y ago
  Thanks for fielding questions - the article mentioned bare metal provisioning with OpenStack. Are you planning on using this https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Baremetal https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Baremetal ? Another method I could envision would be using LXC's as the back end for compute instead of KVM, giving users self provisioning closer to the metal - I just wanted to clarify what method was planned.
  - eLobato 13y ago
    Yes! I'm particularly writing stuff for the baremetal IPMI, as far as I know we don't have any of this on production though
    - dwighteb 13y ago
      Sounds like a fun opportunity! And yeah, that's fair - I doubt anybody has baremetal via OpenStack in production yet. Looks like it was added in the Grizzly release. I'll have to check this out.
trumbitta2 13y ago
42. Let the downvoting galore begin.
yottabyte47 13y ago
150,000 "cloud" virtual machines? How about "networked"? Yeesh.
- incision 13y ago
  It's a metered, self-service system built with Openstack and Puppet. Together, those are more than reasonable qualifications to call it a cloud.

24 points by eLobato 13y ago

If anyone has any questions about this, I'm part of one of the teams mentioned on the article and I'll be happy to answer them

nos4A2 13y ago
Why is a cloud model chosen instead of a compute cluster (like the Titan), running maybe GPGPU? Or to put it another way, what kind of workload is benefited by a cloud instead of a compute cluster?
- incision 13y ago
  I second that question. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking that a system like this could simplify carving/sharing resources - elasticity seems to be a defining "cloud" characteristic. Also, adding an additional layer of abstraction could enable/simplify upgrade of the underlying infrastructure.
- eLobato 13y ago
  I arrived at CERN when the decisions about this were made already, so I'm mostly involved with the actual implementation. I would say that the main reason is that a lot of experiments (not just the higgs boson search) are going on here right now. Somehow you need to distribute resources and let people do stuff with them and the centrally managed Openstack/Puppet stack vastly facilitates the task. The fact these solutions are open source and we can add our stuff (or others) on top of the code is also quite important for us.
dwighteb 13y ago
Thanks for fielding questions - the article mentioned bare metal provisioning with OpenStack. Are you planning on using this https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Baremetal https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Baremetal ? Another method I could envision would be using LXC's as the back end for compute instead of KVM, giving users self provisioning closer to the metal - I just wanted to clarify what method was planned.
- eLobato 13y ago
  Yes! I'm particularly writing stuff for the baremetal IPMI, as far as I know we don't have any of this on production though
  - dwighteb 13y ago
    Sounds like a fun opportunity! And yeah, that's fair - I doubt anybody has baremetal via OpenStack in production yet. Looks like it was added in the Grizzly release. I'll have to check this out.

trumbitta2 13y ago

42. Let the downvoting galore begin.

yottabyte47 13y ago

150,000 "cloud" virtual machines? How about "networked"? Yeesh.

incision 13y ago
It's a metered, self-service system built with Openstack and Puppet. Together, those are more than reasonable qualifications to call it a cloud.