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So you're telling me you get my email, my political inclinations, and my offline purchasing habits. T&C includes the "no class action" and binding arbitration

So you're telling me you get my email, my political inclinations, and my offline purchasing habits. T&C includes the "no class action" and binding arbitration clauses. Privacy policy doesn't actually mention anything about campaigns I use or products I scan, which makes my suspicious mind ... umm... suspicious. At least it omits the "or as otherwise allowed by law" blanket "we do whatever we want" clause. They do say they won't sell or rent personally identifiable information. I'm not sure if they could weasel out of it by using some sort tracking cookie, but it looks like they seem to be limiting themselves to selling aggregate data. I'm not a lawyer, of course, but I don't think I really said anything anyone else can't read for themselves.

pi18n 13y ago
I said I was going to get this but just changed my mind. Holy shit. Thanks for posting.
StavrosK 13y ago
I don't understand why things just have to be online-enabled nowadays. It seems like this app could be implemented with a daily-updating list of which products belong to which company, but my understanding is that they do a live server check, which wastes data and is very bad for privacy. It seems like "talking to a server" is the default for everything nowadays, even when it doesn't need to be.
- VLM 13y ago
  "my understanding is that they do a live server check, which wastes data and is very bad for privacy." Hmm so it doesn't work online where I buy tons of stuff from Amazon Prime, and it doesn't work in brick and mortar because my brick and mortar and steel grocery store has absolutely dismal minimal coverage if any (maybe they have a jammer?). I suppose it would work great at the farmers market ... where everything is grown locally and mostly organically so it doesn't have much of a point anymore. Other than stunts in front of a camera for journalists I'm not sure where I could use this app.
  - StavrosK 13y ago
    Sorry, don't read too much into my comment. "My understanding" just comes from the parent comment, I haven't tried the app out.
jasonlotito 13y ago
You aren't really uncovering anything unique or special. Take a look at your companies own terms: https://www.wealthfront.com/static/documents/wealthfront_client_agrmt_121108.pdf https://www.wealthfront.com/static/documents/wealthfront_cli... There is a "no class action" and arbitration clause. Hell, it's data sharing policy is even worse: "We do not share non-public personal information about you with unaffiliated third parties with whom we have no contractual business relationship for their independent use unless (1) you give us permission, (2) it is necessary to complete a transaction on your behalf, (3) it is necessary to protect against fraud, comply with a subpoena or other court order or is otherwise required or permitted by law. We do not sell information about you to outside unaffiliated companies." That carefully tip-toes around the idea that they "can" share non-public personal information about you with affiliated third parties whom they do have a contractual business relationship with. Note the conditions they provide are only for sharing with unaffiliated third parties. "We do not sell information about you to outside unaffiliated companies." "unaffiliated third parties with whom we have no contractual business relationship" Heck, these two lines essentially suggest that affiliated and unaffiliated have nothing to do with contracts. Therefore, they are free to sell information to whomever they deem they are affiliated with. My point isn't to pick on you or your company, but merely to point out that what you are suggesting is pretty common-place.

pi18n 13y ago

I said I was going to get this but just changed my mind. Holy shit. Thanks for posting.

StavrosK 13y ago

I don't understand why things just have to be online-enabled nowadays. It seems like this app could be implemented with a daily-updating list of which products belong to which company, but my understanding is that they do a live server check, which wastes data and is very bad for privacy. It seems like "talking to a server" is the default for everything nowadays, even when it doesn't need to be.

VLM 13y ago
"my understanding is that they do a live server check, which wastes data and is very bad for privacy." Hmm so it doesn't work online where I buy tons of stuff from Amazon Prime, and it doesn't work in brick and mortar because my brick and mortar and steel grocery store has absolutely dismal minimal coverage if any (maybe they have a jammer?). I suppose it would work great at the farmers market ... where everything is grown locally and mostly organically so it doesn't have much of a point anymore. Other than stunts in front of a camera for journalists I'm not sure where I could use this app.
- StavrosK 13y ago
  Sorry, don't read too much into my comment. "My understanding" just comes from the parent comment, I haven't tried the app out.

jasonlotito 13y ago

You aren't really uncovering anything unique or special. Take a look at your companies own terms: https://www.wealthfront.com/static/documents/wealthfront_client_agrmt_121108.pdf https://www.wealthfront.com/static/documents/wealthfront_cli... There is a "no class action" and arbitration clause. Hell, it's data sharing policy is even worse: "We do not share non-public personal information about you with unaffiliated third parties with whom we have no contractual business relationship for their independent use unless (1) you give us permission, (2) it is necessary to complete a transaction on your behalf, (3) it is necessary to protect against fraud, comply with a subpoena or other court order or is otherwise required or permitted by law. We do not sell information about you to outside unaffiliated companies." That carefully tip-toes around the idea that they "can" share non-public personal information about you with affiliated third parties whom they do have a contractual business relationship with. Note the conditions they provide are only for sharing with unaffiliated third parties. "We do not sell information about you to outside unaffiliated companies." "unaffiliated third parties with whom we have no contractual business relationship" Heck, these two lines essentially suggest that affiliated and unaffiliated have nothing to do with contracts. Therefore, they are free to sell information to whomever they deem they are affiliated with. My point isn't to pick on you or your company, but merely to point out that what you are suggesting is pretty common-place.