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Come now. "Stop and frisk"? I'm not saying that the Chinese don't do bad things, I'm saying that Western nations are culpable too. Let's face it, the poor ever

Come now. "Stop and frisk"? I'm not saying that the Chinese don't do bad things, I'm saying that Western nations are culpable too. Let's face it, the poor everywhere get screwed while the rich get away with it. It's just different shades. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2012/08/china_s_wealthy_and_influential_sometimes_hire_body_doubles_to_serve_their_prison_sentences.html http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2... Western example... http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425 http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigg... dm2 was positing China as this fearsome bogeyman where the only option is China vs. US, winner takes all.

tptacek 13y ago
By all means, compare a system in which local police are empowered to imprison people in labor camps for a year to one in which an overreaching local police force frisks people based on racial profiles.
- newman314 13y ago
  Seriously, are you defending stop and frisk as a trivial issue now? How about internment camps then? Does that better suit your strawman? Whereby Eisenhower's Executive Order 9066 caused Japanese American citizens to be plucked off the street and put into camp against their will for MULTIPLE years with NO recourse. All because of unfounded fear. Not so different is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment I know people that this directly affected so I feel strongly about this issue. While I can and do respect your skill and experience in security, this however is an area I doubt you have much actual experience or proper perspective in. I would recommend visiting Manzanar or one of the other camps if you have not had the opportunity to do so. These are not nice places and caused severe hardship to the people imprisoned there.

tptacek 13y ago

By all means, compare a system in which local police are empowered to imprison people in labor camps for a year to one in which an overreaching local police force frisks people based on racial profiles.

newman314 13y ago
Seriously, are you defending stop and frisk as a trivial issue now? How about internment camps then? Does that better suit your strawman? Whereby Eisenhower's Executive Order 9066 caused Japanese American citizens to be plucked off the street and put into camp against their will for MULTIPLE years with NO recourse. All because of unfounded fear. Not so different is it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment I know people that this directly affected so I feel strongly about this issue. While I can and do respect your skill and experience in security, this however is an area I doubt you have much actual experience or proper perspective in. I would recommend visiting Manzanar or one of the other camps if you have not had the opportunity to do so. These are not nice places and caused severe hardship to the people imprisoned there.