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http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsj&fileName=004/llsj004.db&recNum=490&itemLink=r%3Fammem%2Fhlaw%3A%40field%28DOCID%2B%40lit%28sj004446%29%29%23004

by D9u 13y ago

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsj&fileName=004/llsj004.db&recNum=490&itemLink=r%3Fammem%2Fhlaw%3A%40field%28DOCID%2B%40lit%28sj004446%29%29%230040392&linkText=1 http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsj&fileNam... Apparently the original text of the 13th Amendment was quite a bit different than what it eventually came to be. Is the appellation "Lawyer" not a "Title?"

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D9u 13y ago
From the above link: "If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."
- rayiner 13y ago
  "Lawyer" is a job title, like "engineer" or "doctor" not a "title of nobility or honor."
  - D9u 13y ago
    In another age, lawyers carried the title "Esquire." http://www.lawsuitfaq.com/lawyerattorney.html http://www.lawsuitfaq.com/lawyerattorney.html
    - rayiner 13y ago
      Not in the US. In the US it has never been more than an unofficial professional title (like "phd"). How you clearly know its not a title is that it's not granted by any entity, not has it ever been. Anyone can call themselves "esquire" unless they do so in a context that amounts to unauthorized practice of law (just like with "doctor"). You can sign your letters "D9u, esq." just as you can sign them "D9u, M.D." though either might be the first step in a course of action leading to unauthorized practice of law/medicine.
      - D9u 13y ago
        I beg to differ, as the situation was quite different 150 + years ago. Had you read the provided link you would have seen that affixing the title "Esq" to one's name is an insinuation of being qualified to practice law. It's still used today. http://www.linkedin.com/title/esq/in-us-70-Greater-New-York-City-Area/ http://www.linkedin.com/title/esq/in-us-70-Greater-New-York-... http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/esq--title-624803.html http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/esq--title-624803.html http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=181427 http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&#38... http://www.linkedin.com/title/esq/in-us-70-Greater-New-York-City-Area/ http://www.linkedin.com/title/esq/in-us-70-Greater-New-York-... http://www.formsofaddress.info/Lawyer.html http://www.formsofaddress.info/Lawyer.html http://lawyers.law.cornell.edu/lawyer/steven-j-scheinin-esq-1489204 http://lawyers.law.cornell.edu/lawyer/steven-j-scheinin-esq-... If I tried to pass myself off as "D9u, Esq," I would be seen as even more of a troll than you already see me as, and if I were to dispense legal advice whilst masquerading as "Blah Blah, Esq" I could find myself in trouble. The authority to practice law is *granted by any entity," and that entity is called the Bar Association. The "Esq" is to denote deference to the "Honorable" Judge, or magistrate, etc. It may not be a crime for me to append an honorific to my name while residing in the USA, but such is not the case in many other nations. To reiterate: Regardless, the terms "Attorney at law," or "Esq," are still in use in the USA today. One is bestowed said honorific by an "entity," which is called the "Bar Association." The beginning of my position was that such titled individuals were once prohibited from holding public office. Signed, D9u, idiot extraordinaire.
        rayiner 13y ago

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D9u 13y ago

From the above link: "If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."

rayiner 13y ago
"Lawyer" is a job title, like "engineer" or "doctor" not a "title of nobility or honor."
- D9u 13y ago
  In another age, lawyers carried the title "Esquire." http://www.lawsuitfaq.com/lawyerattorney.html http://www.lawsuitfaq.com/lawyerattorney.html
  - rayiner 13y ago
    Not in the US. In the US it has never been more than an unofficial professional title (like "phd"). How you clearly know its not a title is that it's not granted by any entity, not has it ever been. Anyone can call themselves "esquire" unless they do so in a context that amounts to unauthorized practice of law (just like with "doctor"). You can sign your letters "D9u, esq." just as you can sign them "D9u, M.D." though either might be the first step in a course of action leading to unauthorized practice of law/medicine.
    - D9u 13y ago
      I beg to differ, as the situation was quite different 150 + years ago. Had you read the provided link you would have seen that affixing the title "Esq" to one's name is an insinuation of being qualified to practice law. It's still used today. http://www.linkedin.com/title/esq/in-us-70-Greater-New-York-City-Area/ http://www.linkedin.com/title/esq/in-us-70-Greater-New-York-... http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/esq--title-624803.html http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/esq--title-624803.html http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=181427 http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=20&#38... http://www.linkedin.com/title/esq/in-us-70-Greater-New-York-City-Area/ http://www.linkedin.com/title/esq/in-us-70-Greater-New-York-... http://www.formsofaddress.info/Lawyer.html http://www.formsofaddress.info/Lawyer.html http://lawyers.law.cornell.edu/lawyer/steven-j-scheinin-esq-1489204 http://lawyers.law.cornell.edu/lawyer/steven-j-scheinin-esq-... If I tried to pass myself off as "D9u, Esq," I would be seen as even more of a troll than you already see me as, and if I were to dispense legal advice whilst masquerading as "Blah Blah, Esq" I could find myself in trouble. The authority to practice law is *granted by any entity," and that entity is called the Bar Association. The "Esq" is to denote deference to the "Honorable" Judge, or magistrate, etc. It may not be a crime for me to append an honorific to my name while residing in the USA, but such is not the case in many other nations. To reiterate: Regardless, the terms "Attorney at law," or "Esq," are still in use in the USA today. One is bestowed said honorific by an "entity," which is called the "Bar Association." The beginning of my position was that such titled individuals were once prohibited from holding public office. Signed, D9u, idiot extraordinaire.
      - rayiner 13y ago