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Could the first black president have been elected with out it? (Serious question) I doubt Bush would have gotten elected for a second time if it wasn't for 9/1

by tsally 18y ago

Could the first black president have been elected with out it? (Serious question) I doubt Bush would have gotten elected for a second time if it wasn't for 9/11 and I think Obama would have had a much harder time getting elected if Bush hadn't destroyed the public's opinion of the republican party.

pavel_lishin 18y ago
I think I'd rather prevent an eight year war that's going nowhere and all the unnecessary death than comes with it, rather than elect an arbitrary minority who may not have been elected if his opponents weren't the worst possible option.
- ErrantX 18y ago
  I think "an eight year war that's going nowhere and all the unnecessary death" is not an overall assessment of the effect 9/11 has had. Indeed stop it and you could well kill more people (no by atroscities but by the butterfly effect etc.) - do you then go back and stop those deaths? Where does it stop? Do you go back to influence the decisions that affect every innocent life, do you constantly tweak history to ensure the maximum people "survive"? The fact that 9/11 HAS happened means that if anyone has invented a time machine at some point in the future (or whenever) they either took the correct decision not to change history dramatically. Or they did and that was a potential consequence. As I said below. Tampering with History itself is an unbelievably dangerous game.
- Tangurena 18y ago
  Well, to be honest, that Obama got elected to the Senate in the first place had a lot to do with the self-destructive behavior of the incument Senator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(Senate_candidate)# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(Senate_candidate)# And the major newspapers covered up the illegal wiretappings for more than a year. Originally they were going to be released just prior to the 2004 election. I contend that if they had been released, then Kerry would have won overwhelmingly. This cover-up, along with a few others, such as Abu Ghirab, lead me to have no sympathy for the struggling newspapers - they abandoned us when we needed them. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/04/doj-nixed-inves.html http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/04/doj-nixed-inves.htm...

by tsally 18y ago

pavel_lishin 18y ago

I think I'd rather prevent an eight year war that's going nowhere and all the unnecessary death than comes with it, rather than elect an arbitrary minority who may not have been elected if his opponents weren't the worst possible option.

ErrantX 18y ago
I think "an eight year war that's going nowhere and all the unnecessary death" is not an overall assessment of the effect 9/11 has had. Indeed stop it and you could well kill more people (no by atroscities but by the butterfly effect etc.) - do you then go back and stop those deaths? Where does it stop? Do you go back to influence the decisions that affect every innocent life, do you constantly tweak history to ensure the maximum people "survive"? The fact that 9/11 HAS happened means that if anyone has invented a time machine at some point in the future (or whenever) they either took the correct decision not to change history dramatically. Or they did and that was a potential consequence. As I said below. Tampering with History itself is an unbelievably dangerous game.
Tangurena 18y ago
Well, to be honest, that Obama got elected to the Senate in the first place had a lot to do with the self-destructive behavior of the incument Senator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(Senate_candidate)# http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(Senate_candidate)# And the major newspapers covered up the illegal wiretappings for more than a year. Originally they were going to be released just prior to the 2004 election. I contend that if they had been released, then Kerry would have won overwhelmingly. This cover-up, along with a few others, such as Abu Ghirab, lead me to have no sympathy for the struggling newspapers - they abandoned us when we needed them. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/04/doj-nixed-inves.html http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/04/doj-nixed-inves.htm...