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Every city is the way it is because of the people that come into it. Now different people are coming in and things are changing. San Francisco is a place that

by nsxwolf 14y ago

Every city is the way it is because of the people that come into it. Now different people are coming in and things are changing. San Francisco is a place that people historically migrate to when looking for gold. The aspects of the culture that creates, the ones you like, anyway, are unpredictable and subject to change.

beatpanda 14y ago
You could also say that "San Francisco is a place that people historically migrate to to subjugate native populations and force them to adopt a new culture and religion". Does that make it ethically defensible? Or did we not learn anything from the last few hundred years? I should also point out that the reason companies started coming to San Francisco in the first place was because of the culture that is currently being displaced, largely by people who don't care about the culture at all.
- nsxwolf 14y ago
  I think you're smearing missionaries a bit - they haven't ALL engaged in forcible conversion of natives. Quite often it is a voluntary decision. But anyway, my point is that culture changes, and you can't stop it. Think of it as a culture free market. You can try to put up protectionist barriers to stop it, but you won't succeed. Not even the Amish are totally successful at it. I grew up in Redmond, WA in the 70s and I don't recognize the place anymore when I visit. It makes me a bit sad, but that's life. Someday miles-high glaciers will form and scrub the Rocky Mountains away, too.
  - stingrae 14y ago
    >I think you're smearing missionaries a bit - they haven't ALL engaged in forcible conversion of natives. Quite often it is a voluntary decision. I would disagree on this point, Sure not all were "forced." There are invisible points that cause native nations to collapse. The missionaries didn't have to force them to come, there presence alone had enough effect on the region to force them to move to the missions. Especially in the Bay Area: http://www.amazon.com/Time-Little-Choice-Disintegration-Anthropological/dp/0879191317/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368553024&sr=8-1&keywords=a+time+of+little+choice http://www.amazon.com/Time-Little-Choice-Disintegration-Anth...
    - jbattle 14y ago
      Getting way off topic - the same underlying forces still play out today worldwide, largely through american/japanese/indian(?) movies and music.

by nsxwolf 14y ago

beatpanda 14y ago

You could also say that "San Francisco is a place that people historically migrate to to subjugate native populations and force them to adopt a new culture and religion". Does that make it ethically defensible? Or did we not learn anything from the last few hundred years? I should also point out that the reason companies started coming to San Francisco in the first place was because of the culture that is currently being displaced, largely by people who don't care about the culture at all.

nsxwolf 14y ago
I think you're smearing missionaries a bit - they haven't ALL engaged in forcible conversion of natives. Quite often it is a voluntary decision. But anyway, my point is that culture changes, and you can't stop it. Think of it as a culture free market. You can try to put up protectionist barriers to stop it, but you won't succeed. Not even the Amish are totally successful at it. I grew up in Redmond, WA in the 70s and I don't recognize the place anymore when I visit. It makes me a bit sad, but that's life. Someday miles-high glaciers will form and scrub the Rocky Mountains away, too.
- stingrae 14y ago
  >I think you're smearing missionaries a bit - they haven't ALL engaged in forcible conversion of natives. Quite often it is a voluntary decision. I would disagree on this point, Sure not all were "forced." There are invisible points that cause native nations to collapse. The missionaries didn't have to force them to come, there presence alone had enough effect on the region to force them to move to the missions. Especially in the Bay Area: http://www.amazon.com/Time-Little-Choice-Disintegration-Anthropological/dp/0879191317/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368553024&sr=8-1&keywords=a+time+of+little+choice http://www.amazon.com/Time-Little-Choice-Disintegration-Anth...
  - jbattle 14y ago
    Getting way off topic - the same underlying forces still play out today worldwide, largely through american/japanese/indian(?) movies and music.