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Building a Lisp to Javascript compiler

68 points by mrhonza 13y ago

rsamvit 13y ago
"So, I decided to implement a simple version of Clojure that compiles to Javascript and can be run on top of nodejs." Did you know that Clojurescript can run on node.js? https://github.com/michaelsbradleyjr/node-clojurescript https://github.com/michaelsbradleyjr/node-clojurescript Cool project though!
- kaoD 13y ago
  The compilation step completely defeats the point of rapid prototyping in Node.js. I'm really used to just modifying my .coffee files to get the resulting .js files compiled instantly and transparently to me. Closure does a great job in static analysis. It's not obvious, but Clojure's library is HUGE and has to be pruned of unused resources. On the other hand, it's not very convenient for the developer because Closure's job takes a LONG time. I guess this is where this project comes in.
  - rsamvit 13y ago
    I'm working on a clojurescript project right now that compiles to 80K lines of javascript (using the most basic compilation level during development). In my actual workflow I've found that the compilation takes under 250ms each time. I have it auto-compiling every time I save the file using the lein cljsbuild plugin and it's near instant as far as I'm concerned.
    - kaoD 13y ago
      That was not my experience with Clojurescript. I might have to try it again.
    - minikomi 13y ago
      Do you mind giving a quick rundown of how you set up your environment, or at least a point in the right direction?
      - rsamvit 13y ago
        The most barebones version is very simple: lein has a plugin called lein-cljsbuild. In your project.clj there is a way to specify the directories this program needs to watch for file changes. lein cljsbuild has an option "auto" which activates the directory watcher and automatically recompiles the cljs files when one of them changes. This long-running program keeps the same jvm running for all the compiles, and lets you iterate more quickly.
        john2x 13y ago
        How are you finding the ClojureScript REPL? I wanted to play around with it, but gave up after finding out how much trouble it is to get running. I was hoping it would be as simple as Clojure's `lein repl`.
        rsamvit 13y ago
        It's a bit harder to set up but it's very much worth it once you have it running. I use clojure.browser.repl
        minikomi 13y ago
        Thank you, I'll look into it!
octo_t 13y ago
Much more relevant is Wat[1], a lisp-like JSON based language by Manuel Simoni, with continuations, dynamic binding, macros and all the other lisp goodies. [1] - https://github.com/manuel/wat-js https://github.com/manuel/wat-js
agentultra 13y ago
Another cool project in the same vein is Parenscript (http://common-lisp.net/project/parenscript/tutorial.html http://common-lisp.net/project/parenscript/tutorial.html)

68 points by mrhonza 13y ago

"So, I decided to implement a simple version of Clojure that compiles to Javascript and can be run on top of nodejs." Did you know that Clojurescript can run on node.js? https://github.com/michaelsbradleyjr/node-clojurescript https://github.com/michaelsbradleyjr/node-clojurescript Cool project though!

kaoD 13y ago
The compilation step completely defeats the point of rapid prototyping in Node.js. I'm really used to just modifying my .coffee files to get the resulting .js files compiled instantly and transparently to me. Closure does a great job in static analysis. It's not obvious, but Clojure's library is HUGE and has to be pruned of unused resources. On the other hand, it's not very convenient for the developer because Closure's job takes a LONG time. I guess this is where this project comes in.
- rsamvit 13y ago
  I'm working on a clojurescript project right now that compiles to 80K lines of javascript (using the most basic compilation level during development). In my actual workflow I've found that the compilation takes under 250ms each time. I have it auto-compiling every time I save the file using the lein cljsbuild plugin and it's near instant as far as I'm concerned.
  - kaoD 13y ago
    That was not my experience with Clojurescript. I might have to try it again.
  - minikomi 13y ago
    Do you mind giving a quick rundown of how you set up your environment, or at least a point in the right direction?
    - rsamvit 13y ago
      The most barebones version is very simple: lein has a plugin called lein-cljsbuild. In your project.clj there is a way to specify the directories this program needs to watch for file changes. lein cljsbuild has an option "auto" which activates the directory watcher and automatically recompiles the cljs files when one of them changes. This long-running program keeps the same jvm running for all the compiles, and lets you iterate more quickly.
      - john2x 13y ago
        How are you finding the ClojureScript REPL? I wanted to play around with it, but gave up after finding out how much trouble it is to get running. I was hoping it would be as simple as Clojure's `lein repl`.
        rsamvit 13y ago
        It's a bit harder to set up but it's very much worth it once you have it running. I use clojure.browser.repl
      - minikomi 13y ago
        Thank you, I'll look into it!

octo_t 13y ago

Much more relevant is Wat[1], a lisp-like JSON based language by Manuel Simoni, with continuations, dynamic binding, macros and all the other lisp goodies. [1] - https://github.com/manuel/wat-js https://github.com/manuel/wat-js

agentultra 13y ago

Another cool project in the same vein is Parenscript (http://common-lisp.net/project/parenscript/tutorial.html http://common-lisp.net/project/parenscript/tutorial.html)