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This thread between us is a PERFECT example of why threads are necessary. We are having a conversation that would not happen if there were no threads, and which

by aneth4 13y ago

This thread between us is a PERFECT example of why threads are necessary. We are having a conversation that would not happen if there were no threads, and which I would hesitate to engage in because it would be side-tracking the main point. We'd have all sorts of people telling us to stay on topic. Look how you're responding to individuals and they can see your response. Look how easy it is to follow the discussion. Sorry, but IMO, you are dead wrong on this. And you're worried about "inconsistent threads" from naive users? Imagine what naive users do when there are no threads... Just start a new thread? And lose the audience? Pollute the top-level namespace with tangents? How do you pull people back into the discussion. This is not a solution. Thread depth limit has never been an issue on HN because most discussions die out by that point and people move on to other top level topics. If it were an eternal discussion with endless threads, there are plenty of solutions to the UI issues there, but that would a rare use case where such depth were needed.

staltz 13y ago
If I'm dead wrong, explain me how Branch.com is being successful as a "good web conversations platform" with a single thread layout. Plus, explain me their decision to make Branch "better and simpler" (http://bulletin.branch.com/ http://bulletin.branch.com/) by removing their branch feature (creating new conversations as a reply to a comment). They just abandoned their only threading feature (heck, their company is named BRANCH), to make the experience better. I'd also like to see you explain how Google+ made their Disqus competitor with single threads. Are Branch and Google also dead wrong?
- aneth4 13y ago
  I forgot, Google+ is killing it and Google always has top notch UI. Actually, G+ is having issues because they are ordering comments to sort out the junk and losing chronology because single threads are horrible. I don't know much about Branch and I haven't seen it used on any major sites. Seems the threaded providers are doing quite well and leading the pack. Nobody complains that Disqus has threads and I see all sorts of ignorant wack jobs successfully using threads in the corners of the Internet. So yeah, maybe Google and Branch are wrong. Not much of a stretch. Sorry if t threatens your startup but best to know you're wrong early.
  - staltz 13y ago
    Thanks for the "wisdom" but I've done my research already. There is no consensus on the web that threaded is hands down the best way to do it. Some prefer flat some prefer threaded. I'm just building flat++, fixing the worst problems. There is plenty of evidence that the battle between these two isn't won. On the full threading side: Reddit, HN, Slashdot, Disqus, LiveFyre. On the flat (or 1 level nesting) side: Branch, Google+, Facebook, Discourse (http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/11/discussions-flat-or-threaded.html http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/11/discussions-flat-or...), Vanilla Forums, etc. Seems like a fair fight to me.

by aneth4 13y ago

staltz 13y ago

If I'm dead wrong, explain me how Branch.com is being successful as a "good web conversations platform" with a single thread layout. Plus, explain me their decision to make Branch "better and simpler" (http://bulletin.branch.com/ http://bulletin.branch.com/) by removing their branch feature (creating new conversations as a reply to a comment). They just abandoned their only threading feature (heck, their company is named BRANCH), to make the experience better. I'd also like to see you explain how Google+ made their Disqus competitor with single threads. Are Branch and Google also dead wrong?

aneth4 13y ago
I forgot, Google+ is killing it and Google always has top notch UI. Actually, G+ is having issues because they are ordering comments to sort out the junk and losing chronology because single threads are horrible. I don't know much about Branch and I haven't seen it used on any major sites. Seems the threaded providers are doing quite well and leading the pack. Nobody complains that Disqus has threads and I see all sorts of ignorant wack jobs successfully using threads in the corners of the Internet. So yeah, maybe Google and Branch are wrong. Not much of a stretch. Sorry if t threatens your startup but best to know you're wrong early.
- staltz 13y ago
  Thanks for the "wisdom" but I've done my research already. There is no consensus on the web that threaded is hands down the best way to do it. Some prefer flat some prefer threaded. I'm just building flat++, fixing the worst problems. There is plenty of evidence that the battle between these two isn't won. On the full threading side: Reddit, HN, Slashdot, Disqus, LiveFyre. On the flat (or 1 level nesting) side: Branch, Google+, Facebook, Discourse (http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/11/discussions-flat-or-threaded.html http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/11/discussions-flat-or...), Vanilla Forums, etc. Seems like a fair fight to me.