4 ms·

Well, what did you expect? GNOME's processes and communication with users exactly represents the general state of the project, it's an uninspired big pile of sh

by _ak 13y ago

Well, what did you expect? GNOME's processes and communication with users exactly represents the general state of the project, it's an uninspired big pile of shit, it always has been, it always will be. And of course, if you argue against GNOME's dogmas, you will be sidetracked because of some bullshit like your tone (which IMHO was totally fine, and you even argued your case with sources, examples and all) and then banned because you took part in the off-topic discussion (or even for talking back). That's how every sneaky bastard on the internet with a ban-hammer proceeds.

stuaxo 13y ago
Wow, that's kind of harsh - I find it quite nice to use every day; though some of these recent issues are disappointing. (+ If they remove transparency in the terminal it might be enough for me to consider using something else, though I actually like gnome shell).
bkor 13y ago
There are clear rules on how to behave. You say it was fine, but you only judge on his version of his behaviour. He went on and on and on, various bugreports, various personal emails, etc. Eventually enough is enough. I see that you are now perfectly happy to call me a sneaky bastard. Try going to a conference and talking to me in person instead of this anonymous internet.
- beedogs 13y ago
  try behaving the way you behaved on bugzilla at a conference.
  - bkor 13y ago
    I have invited people to conferences before. They never show up. I behave the same in real life as on Internet. I'll say it again: Go to FOSDEM, go to the GNOME stand. I'll be near the stand most of the afternoon. Pretty nice to judge people over the Internet, as said, try talking to me in real life, making a real judgement.
    - chewit 13y ago
      You saying they never show up as if it's directly related to your challenge rather than the fact that they probably have a billion things they'd rather be doing than going to a conference and getting in an argument is pretty laughable. No comment on the rest, except to say that thinking you could have someone kicked out of a conference for their tone is a bit funny. Felipe is abrasive (though not incorrect, in my view) and not someone I would like to work with but you are not winning any friends for yourself or the project with your attitude.
- ralfn 13y ago
  The interaction escalated, but you were as much to blame for that as well. The problem is the ban hammer. An independent judge would either ban you both or neither. This is supposed to be a profesionally run project, not scriptkiddies in dome irc chatroom acting tough. And i second the other remark. You wouldnt dare behave like this in public. Trying to get somebody removed from a conference for an opinion you do not agree with, nor are willing to discuss. And lets be honest. The gnome bugzilla ban list, is likely bigger than the launchpad ban list, eventhough you guys have much less contributors. You guys are running a clubhouse with the self esteem of 13 year old boys. The highest standards for others, the lowest for yourself. All the gnome hate can be summed up in one simple question: when are you guys going to behave profesionally. Be the better party in conflicts. Show some patience. Show some understanding for the relationship people have with your product, and just in general "play nice". Because between the conflicts with canonical, kde, users, contributors .. The one constant is "gnome devs dont play nice". And its 99% of communication. Tone of voice, and socially handicapped individuals with little empathy and ban hammers.
  - bkor 13y ago
    > This is supposed to be a profesionally run project, not scriptkiddies in dome irc chatroom acting tough. You're suggesting how I should behave, while calling me a scriptkiddie? Wtf? The rest of your post is much of the same.
    - ralfn 13y ago
      Come on. Is your exchange, that resulted in a ban, not very typical for an IRC? I get that you feel insulted. You should. And you can call me names if you want to. But on bugzilla you are representing a project, an organisation and a mission statement. Yet you used the ban hammer as a personal dislike button. You do not see the difference? You do not see the comparison to immature irc behavior vs being professional?
    - onli 13y ago
      Nice way to prove a (ralfns) point.

by _ak 13y ago

stuaxo 13y ago

Wow, that's kind of harsh - I find it quite nice to use every day; though some of these recent issues are disappointing. (+ If they remove transparency in the terminal it might be enough for me to consider using something else, though I actually like gnome shell).

bkor 13y ago

There are clear rules on how to behave. You say it was fine, but you only judge on his version of his behaviour. He went on and on and on, various bugreports, various personal emails, etc. Eventually enough is enough. I see that you are now perfectly happy to call me a sneaky bastard. Try going to a conference and talking to me in person instead of this anonymous internet.

beedogs 13y ago
try behaving the way you behaved on bugzilla at a conference.
- bkor 13y ago
  I have invited people to conferences before. They never show up. I behave the same in real life as on Internet. I'll say it again: Go to FOSDEM, go to the GNOME stand. I'll be near the stand most of the afternoon. Pretty nice to judge people over the Internet, as said, try talking to me in real life, making a real judgement.
  - chewit 13y ago
    You saying they never show up as if it's directly related to your challenge rather than the fact that they probably have a billion things they'd rather be doing than going to a conference and getting in an argument is pretty laughable. No comment on the rest, except to say that thinking you could have someone kicked out of a conference for their tone is a bit funny. Felipe is abrasive (though not incorrect, in my view) and not someone I would like to work with but you are not winning any friends for yourself or the project with your attitude.
ralfn 13y ago
The interaction escalated, but you were as much to blame for that as well. The problem is the ban hammer. An independent judge would either ban you both or neither. This is supposed to be a profesionally run project, not scriptkiddies in dome irc chatroom acting tough. And i second the other remark. You wouldnt dare behave like this in public. Trying to get somebody removed from a conference for an opinion you do not agree with, nor are willing to discuss. And lets be honest. The gnome bugzilla ban list, is likely bigger than the launchpad ban list, eventhough you guys have much less contributors. You guys are running a clubhouse with the self esteem of 13 year old boys. The highest standards for others, the lowest for yourself. All the gnome hate can be summed up in one simple question: when are you guys going to behave profesionally. Be the better party in conflicts. Show some patience. Show some understanding for the relationship people have with your product, and just in general "play nice". Because between the conflicts with canonical, kde, users, contributors .. The one constant is "gnome devs dont play nice". And its 99% of communication. Tone of voice, and socially handicapped individuals with little empathy and ban hammers.
- bkor 13y ago
  > This is supposed to be a profesionally run project, not scriptkiddies in dome irc chatroom acting tough. You're suggesting how I should behave, while calling me a scriptkiddie? Wtf? The rest of your post is much of the same.
  - ralfn 13y ago
    Come on. Is your exchange, that resulted in a ban, not very typical for an IRC? I get that you feel insulted. You should. And you can call me names if you want to. But on bugzilla you are representing a project, an organisation and a mission statement. Yet you used the ban hammer as a personal dislike button. You do not see the difference? You do not see the comparison to immature irc behavior vs being professional?
  - onli 13y ago
    Nice way to prove a (ralfns) point.