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I know that's not what you mean, but I find it quite amusing that you describe Oracle (a 30 year old company)'s business as convincing people they need to do th

by SeoxyS 13y ago

I know that's not what you mean, but I find it quite amusing that you describe Oracle (a 30 year old company)'s business as convincing people they need to do things the same way Google (a 15 year old company) does it.

eurleif 13y ago
He said they have the same business model. Business models are abstract.
- joseph_cooney 13y ago
  dewitt said "Oracle has used exactly this business model to great success, and obscene profit, for over 30 years". You claim that business models are abstract. Perhaps, except in the case where the words "exact" are used, and a specific company is named. I, like SeoxyS find the paradox of Oracle being accused of helping businesses to be "me-too" copies of Google - a company half of Oracle's age - amusing.
  - dvse 13y ago
    The model in question is "convince small and medium businesses that they need to buy my software in order to do things the same way as large companies X and Y and have a hope of remaining competitive". For Oracle X and Y were banks, retail and logistics companies, for the new generation of "big data" vendors it is Google and Facebook.
    - joseph_cooney 13y ago
      But the poster in question didn't say "X" and "Y" did they...this feels like an exercise in pedantry now, but he really did say "exactly" and "google".
      - coldtea 13y ago
        Ok, here's some "conversational language" insight: He said: "Exactly this business model" -- that is, as it pertains to it's essence. NOT to be read as: "Exactly this business model as it pertains to inconsequential details, like which big company they should be imitating".
yen223 13y ago
To be pedantic, he said Oracle follows the same business model, not that Oracle follows Google.
- joseph_cooney 13y ago
  But if google has only existed for 15 years how can the business model of "get money out of people trying to help them do a google me-too" have existed for 30?
  - fusiongyro 13y ago
    You're putting us to sleep with this tiresome over-literal arguing. Be more interesting.
    - joseph_cooney 13y ago
      I guess as a software engineer I can be a little pedantic, literal and detail oriented, perhaps to my own detriment.
chewxy 13y ago
Well, there is SAP, whose business model is "look at what the big companies are doing. You small time fella, you need the same thing to grow big as well" as well

by SeoxyS 13y ago

eurleif 13y ago

He said they have the same business model. Business models are abstract.

joseph_cooney 13y ago
dewitt said "Oracle has used exactly this business model to great success, and obscene profit, for over 30 years". You claim that business models are abstract. Perhaps, except in the case where the words "exact" are used, and a specific company is named. I, like SeoxyS find the paradox of Oracle being accused of helping businesses to be "me-too" copies of Google - a company half of Oracle's age - amusing.
- dvse 13y ago
  The model in question is "convince small and medium businesses that they need to buy my software in order to do things the same way as large companies X and Y and have a hope of remaining competitive". For Oracle X and Y were banks, retail and logistics companies, for the new generation of "big data" vendors it is Google and Facebook.
  - joseph_cooney 13y ago
    But the poster in question didn't say "X" and "Y" did they...this feels like an exercise in pedantry now, but he really did say "exactly" and "google".
    - coldtea 13y ago
      Ok, here's some "conversational language" insight: He said: "Exactly this business model" -- that is, as it pertains to it's essence. NOT to be read as: "Exactly this business model as it pertains to inconsequential details, like which big company they should be imitating".

yen223 13y ago

To be pedantic, he said Oracle follows the same business model, not that Oracle follows Google.

joseph_cooney 13y ago
But if google has only existed for 15 years how can the business model of "get money out of people trying to help them do a google me-too" have existed for 30?
- fusiongyro 13y ago
  You're putting us to sleep with this tiresome over-literal arguing. Be more interesting.
  - joseph_cooney 13y ago
    I guess as a software engineer I can be a little pedantic, literal and detail oriented, perhaps to my own detriment.

chewxy 13y ago

Well, there is SAP, whose business model is "look at what the big companies are doing. You small time fella, you need the same thing to grow big as well" as well