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This is a silly controversy that keeps getting taken out of context. A bug tracker is not a forum to discuss the direction of a project; there's other avenues f

by u2328 13y ago

This is a silly controversy that keeps getting taken out of context. A bug tracker is not a forum to discuss the direction of a project; there's other avenues for that (blog posts, etc...). Spam posting the link to the bug report to all the social media sites you can think of is anti-social behavior, and is indeed worthy of a ban of your bugzilla account. Yes, the GNOME dev that closed the bug with a blunt "No." response was rude, but that doesn't give you the moral authority to rally the outrage police and incite Internet riots.

adamnemecek 13y ago
Really? So you'd prefer if the discussion was spread amongst n blogs as opposed to kept in one place? And in a way it is a bug since it introduces a regression. Also how is linking to it anti-social behavior?
- u2328 13y ago
  If that one place is a bug tracker, then, yes. It's anti-social because the intent of linking to it directly was meant to encourage a response from the Internet. Hell, if some context was provided, and then it was linked to, that'd be a different matter. But linking to it directly with context was clearly meant to illicit a reactionary public response. A bug tracker is not a forum for public debate over a feature. All those responses go into a lot of people's email boxes. It's annoying to get all those email where every other person is a new poster looking to add their two cents, and I'd dare suggest that anyways thinks otherwise isn't on a mailing list or on the receiving end of bug reports.
aniket_ray 13y ago
I'll have to disagree on this one. In my opinion, bug trackers an excellent way to organize feature discussions. Sure, blogs posts are a more expressive medium but that doesn't reduce the importance of bug trackers. In this particular instance, the GNOME dev was pretty rude and if that behavior is supported by the GNOME community, it needs to be publicly called out. I as a user would not want to support any open source project where developers act like asshats.
- u2328 13y ago
  It was rude, I'll give you that, although I'd take an issue that this is normal behavior in the community. I've interacted with a lot of GNOME devs, hell, a lot of developers in general. Some are rude, some are short, yes, but the overwhelmingly majority are nice, pleasant people. But even then, languages barriers pop up, miscommunication happens, or yes, otherwise decent people lose their patience and say something rude. I'd still argue that this this one bug report being taken out of context to illicit a reactionary response. Don't get me wrong, there's room for debate about the transparency feature, but let's stop convicting the entire project for one dev and one bug report.
wwwtyro 13y ago
> rally the outrage police and incite Internet riots Wait -- how was this done, exactly? Are you referring to the HN post? Because, unless the title was changed, it was simply a statement of fact. The real problem seems to be that some Gnome dev thinks they can be rude and expect zero backlash.
- kintamanimatt 13y ago
  The title hasn't been changed since I posted it.
  - adamnemecek 13y ago
    He's talking about the post from yesterday which linked to the bugtracker.
    - kintamanimatt 13y ago
      Oh. On a side note, it's funny this got flagged to death within minutes of reaching the front page!
      - u2328 13y ago
        What are you suggesting?
    - u2328 13y ago
      Yes, that's what I'm talking about, as well as all the posts on Reddit that link directly to the bug report without any context being provided.
- u2328 13y ago
  Right. But, does that then also entitle people who only saw this bug report through social media (mostly Reddit) to make accounts so that they can make posts on the bug report like: > And this is why people don't use GNOME. What a joke. > where is christian persch hiding now? > Time to move to KDE or XFCE Keep in mind this is a bugtracker, which is used for technical discussions for devs and users, not a forum for people to express their opinions about how terrible GNOME is.

by u2328 13y ago

adamnemecek 13y ago

Really? So you'd prefer if the discussion was spread amongst n blogs as opposed to kept in one place? And in a way it is a bug since it introduces a regression. Also how is linking to it anti-social behavior?

u2328 13y ago
If that one place is a bug tracker, then, yes. It's anti-social because the intent of linking to it directly was meant to encourage a response from the Internet. Hell, if some context was provided, and then it was linked to, that'd be a different matter. But linking to it directly with context was clearly meant to illicit a reactionary public response. A bug tracker is not a forum for public debate over a feature. All those responses go into a lot of people's email boxes. It's annoying to get all those email where every other person is a new poster looking to add their two cents, and I'd dare suggest that anyways thinks otherwise isn't on a mailing list or on the receiving end of bug reports.

aniket_ray 13y ago

I'll have to disagree on this one. In my opinion, bug trackers an excellent way to organize feature discussions. Sure, blogs posts are a more expressive medium but that doesn't reduce the importance of bug trackers. In this particular instance, the GNOME dev was pretty rude and if that behavior is supported by the GNOME community, it needs to be publicly called out. I as a user would not want to support any open source project where developers act like asshats.

u2328 13y ago
It was rude, I'll give you that, although I'd take an issue that this is normal behavior in the community. I've interacted with a lot of GNOME devs, hell, a lot of developers in general. Some are rude, some are short, yes, but the overwhelmingly majority are nice, pleasant people. But even then, languages barriers pop up, miscommunication happens, or yes, otherwise decent people lose their patience and say something rude. I'd still argue that this this one bug report being taken out of context to illicit a reactionary response. Don't get me wrong, there's room for debate about the transparency feature, but let's stop convicting the entire project for one dev and one bug report.

wwwtyro 13y ago

> rally the outrage police and incite Internet riots Wait -- how was this done, exactly? Are you referring to the HN post? Because, unless the title was changed, it was simply a statement of fact. The real problem seems to be that some Gnome dev thinks they can be rude and expect zero backlash.

kintamanimatt 13y ago
The title hasn't been changed since I posted it.
- adamnemecek 13y ago
  He's talking about the post from yesterday which linked to the bugtracker.
  - kintamanimatt 13y ago
    Oh. On a side note, it's funny this got flagged to death within minutes of reaching the front page!
    - u2328 13y ago
      What are you suggesting?
  - u2328 13y ago
    Yes, that's what I'm talking about, as well as all the posts on Reddit that link directly to the bug report without any context being provided.
u2328 13y ago
Right. But, does that then also entitle people who only saw this bug report through social media (mostly Reddit) to make accounts so that they can make posts on the bug report like: > And this is why people don't use GNOME. What a joke. > where is christian persch hiding now? > Time to move to KDE or XFCE Keep in mind this is a bugtracker, which is used for technical discussions for devs and users, not a forum for people to express their opinions about how terrible GNOME is.