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Morality is not subjective. There is wrong and there is right. Stealing the toils of someone else is wrong. Your argument is still nonsensical; just because Ho
by jobeirne 17y ago
Morality is not subjective. There is wrong and there is right. Stealing the toils of someone else is wrong.
Your argument is still nonsensical; just because Hollywood glorifies theft (which of course they would; it's the allure of the rebel mentality) doesn't make it rational or acceptable.
You bless weakness and the rationalization of cowardice.
- rms 17y ago>Morality is not subjective. You make a fact-like statement for what is actually one of the most debated arguments in philosophical history. I disagree, morality is subjective. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism
- jobeirne 17y agoMoral relativism is to disavow the accumulation of any generalizable logic during humanity's stay. This is trendy and foolish.
- yters 17y agoAnd here you make one of the same lame moral relativist fallacies to back up your point. Parent: "morals are absolute" You: "no, because lots of people argue about it" So, if lots of people argued about whether 1+1=2, does that make it false? Reality isn't consensus based. Plus, disagreeing that morality is objective is incoherent. If it isn't objective, then what's wrong with stating that it is objective?
- qbit 17y agoMorality is not subjective? Can you explain how one determines, in an objective way, whether or not an act is moral? Is there a fundamental theorem of morality that I am unaware of?
- jobeirne 17y agoEasy: if an act does not impose force, threat, or fraud, it is moral.
- froo 17y agoEasy: if an act does not impose force, threat, or fraud, it is moral. Well then by your "easy" definition, theft (within the context of piracy) is not a threatening force, is not fraudulent nor does it require force. So you have just defined Piracy as a moral thing to do. You just lost your own original argument by your own definition. Nice job.
- jobeirne 17y agoYou obviously misunderstood what I said; "force" does not only apply to physical things: it runs the gamut from plagiarism to patent infringement. You are forcefully (and wrongly) obtaining media in that you have not first obtained the consent of the owner or producer.
- jibiki 17y agoBut other people clearly have a different opinion of what constitutes force. So we're back to the beginning. I would suggest using a different word, since your definition of "force" very much bends the standard English meaning. In particular, it's hard to use the verb form in regards to piracy: nobody is "forcing" anyone to do anything. Edit: the physical meaning of force ("I forced the lock") doesn't really apply either...
- tome 17y agoOh is it easy? And downloading a movie falls into which of those categories? It's certainly not force or threat, so it must be fraud. In which case: Can you explain how one determines, in an objective way, whether or not an act is fraudulent?
- yters 17y agoFYI, objective morality doesn't require knowledge of moral axioms for people to observe particular instances of morally objective facts. Just as we don't need to know quantum physics to observe physical facts. Anyways, if morality isn't objective, why get offended when someone insists that it is? He isn't doing anything immoral...
- yters 17y agoDoes perpetuate moral humanity work? Of course, it is a necessary, but not sufficient sort of principle.