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Honestly I don't think that would happen even if they plainly stated it. At this point the writing has been on the wall for years and yet the "power users" who

by mpyne 14y ago

Honestly I don't think that would happen even if they plainly stated it. At this point the writing has been on the wall for years and yet the "power users" who would care about this still haven't switched. Whether it's Stockholm syndrome, or self-blaming, or "oh, that wouldn't happen to me" I don't know, but it's getting increasing harder to blame the GNOME devs... they've made their opinion very clear and they're the ones driving the ship. If you're a passenger and you think you see icebergs you need to abandon ship, not whine with the Captain about where to steer.

juhanima 14y ago
> If you're a passenger and you think you see icebergs > you need to abandon ship, not whine with the Captain > about where to steer. Really? Not even in the case you think the captain failed to notice the iceberg, and a simple heads up would save not only yours but all the other passengers' lives? Nothing ot do with Gnome, I suppose, but this was a really bad analogy.
- mpyne 14y ago
  Perhaps I shouldn't have used "iceberg" as that implies some upcoming inevitable disaster, which I don't think is true of this situation. The GNOME devs could certainly end up very successful. I happen to disagree with the course, but it's their right as developers to choose a different direction. At some point as a user you have to come to grips with the fact that their vision and yours have diverged. There are undoubtedly many other users who prefer this different direction and they can't all be right. Find the boat going the direction you want to go and climb aboard and help out.
nine_k 14y ago
Linus wrote a few months ago that he'd switched to Xfce. Does he count as a power user?
- pyre 14y ago
  Linus is pragmatic though. He'll switch when it's necessary. E.g. BitKeeper => git, KDE3.5 => GNOME, etc
  - nine_k 14y ago
    BitKeeper -> git was a painful necessity when BitKeeper started to want money. It's switching to BitKeeper was pragmatism over hardcore open-source principles, a 'lesser evil'. I have to learn more about KDE -> Gnome, since I remember it was the other way around :)
    - GhotiFish 14y ago
      Really? In when Linus did his talk about git for Google Tech Talks, he explained that the reason they parted ways because many of the linux developers were taking issue to working in a non-libre environment, I seem to recall... hmmm here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8
      - pyre 14y ago
        BitKeeper was non-libre for a long time, but they dropped the free-to-the-community version[1] which forced the move. Linus drew criticism for a long time over the usage of a non-libre version control system for the Linux kernel. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitkeeper#Pricing_change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitkeeper#Pricing_change
        mpyne 14y ago
        If no one has ever read the backstory behind this it's actually a good tale. There was more to the issue than BK simply deciding to drop the free version. The short story behind that one of the Samba authors helped force Free Software along in more ways than one!
        GhotiFish 14y ago
- sp332 14y ago
  He's been complaining about GNOME for a long time. I guess either they got bad enough Xfce looked better, or he figured out how to get Xfce to do what he needed. https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/WTLyn7dqYoR https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/WTLyn7dqYoR https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/UkoAaLDpF4i https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/UkoAaLDpF4i And the first comment on https://plus.google.com/115250422803614415116/posts/KygiWsQc4Wm https://plus.google.com/115250422803614415116/posts/KygiWsQc...

by mpyne 14y ago

juhanima 14y ago

> If you're a passenger and you think you see icebergs > you need to abandon ship, not whine with the Captain > about where to steer. Really? Not even in the case you think the captain failed to notice the iceberg, and a simple heads up would save not only yours but all the other passengers' lives? Nothing ot do with Gnome, I suppose, but this was a really bad analogy.

mpyne 14y ago
Perhaps I shouldn't have used "iceberg" as that implies some upcoming inevitable disaster, which I don't think is true of this situation. The GNOME devs could certainly end up very successful. I happen to disagree with the course, but it's their right as developers to choose a different direction. At some point as a user you have to come to grips with the fact that their vision and yours have diverged. There are undoubtedly many other users who prefer this different direction and they can't all be right. Find the boat going the direction you want to go and climb aboard and help out.

nine_k 14y ago

Linus wrote a few months ago that he'd switched to Xfce. Does he count as a power user?

pyre 14y ago
Linus is pragmatic though. He'll switch when it's necessary. E.g. BitKeeper => git, KDE3.5 => GNOME, etc
- nine_k 14y ago
  BitKeeper -> git was a painful necessity when BitKeeper started to want money. It's switching to BitKeeper was pragmatism over hardcore open-source principles, a 'lesser evil'. I have to learn more about KDE -> Gnome, since I remember it was the other way around :)
  - GhotiFish 14y ago
    Really? In when Linus did his talk about git for Google Tech Talks, he explained that the reason they parted ways because many of the linux developers were taking issue to working in a non-libre environment, I seem to recall... hmmm here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8
    - pyre 14y ago
      BitKeeper was non-libre for a long time, but they dropped the free-to-the-community version[1] which forced the move. Linus drew criticism for a long time over the usage of a non-libre version control system for the Linux kernel. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitkeeper#Pricing_change http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitkeeper#Pricing_change
      - mpyne 14y ago
        If no one has ever read the backstory behind this it's actually a good tale. There was more to the issue than BK simply deciding to drop the free version. The short story behind that one of the Samba authors helped force Free Software along in more ways than one!
        GhotiFish 14y ago
sp332 14y ago
He's been complaining about GNOME for a long time. I guess either they got bad enough Xfce looked better, or he figured out how to get Xfce to do what he needed. https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/WTLyn7dqYoR https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/WTLyn7dqYoR https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/UkoAaLDpF4i https://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/UkoAaLDpF4i And the first comment on https://plus.google.com/115250422803614415116/posts/KygiWsQc4Wm https://plus.google.com/115250422803614415116/posts/KygiWsQc...