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"they still go for the strong guy over the "nice" guy" The antonym to strong is weak, not nice. I think people often forget that girls, particularly sane and i

by HSO 18y ago

"they still go for the strong guy over the "nice" guy" The antonym to strong is weak, not nice. I think people often forget that girls, particularly sane and intelligent ones, do not reject the prototypical "nice guy" because he is nice but because he is a pushover. That is, weak. You can be strong and nice. In fact, I think the strongest ones usually are "nice" or considerate because they can afford to, whereas at least where I'm moving, being an asshole or abrasive is a sign of weakness.

bokonist 18y ago
I agree. I put the word nice in quotes, because I meant a specific type of "nice" guy - the nice, weak guy who wonders why the girls do not like him.
joetrumpet 18y ago
He didn't mean antonym, which is why he mentioned at the end girls could then find both a nice and strong guy. In other words, it's less likely for nice guys to have the trait, but not impossible: they don't have it because they didn't attempt it since they simply listened to girls who didn't know (or weren't willing to admit) what they wanted. In my experience, girls do want first and foremost an alpha male, and being a nice guy on top of that makes it even better. It's just not a necessity so the jerks can succeed without that quality, whereas the nice guys can't succeed without "dominance."
- banned_man 18y ago
  So your argument is that women don't have shitty, infantile tastes so much as shitty, infantile priorities, then?
  - rdouble 18y ago
    So your argument is that women don't have shitty, infantile tastes so much as shitty, infantile priorities, then? I guess now we know what time_management's new nickname is...
  - joetrumpet 18y ago
    It came about for evolutionary purposes, I'm sure, and the magnitude of their influence is quite debatable, and varies greatly from person to person. But do you believe status is not a factor in the eyes of most girls (this is, of course, simply a generalization)? I'm sure you have friends who you would consider incredibly nice, but very shy, guys who never could get a girlfriend, and plenty of jerky, but confident, guys who you wonder why girls would date. Confident guys, even when not nice, just seem to win out over really nice, but not at all confident, guys. Guys with both win out over both. Whether or not it's a bad thing is your call. (I'm not arguing guys are above their primitive desires: not by any means, it's just not the focus of this discussion.)

by HSO 18y ago

bokonist 18y ago

I agree. I put the word nice in quotes, because I meant a specific type of "nice" guy - the nice, weak guy who wonders why the girls do not like him.

joetrumpet 18y ago

He didn't mean antonym, which is why he mentioned at the end girls could then find both a nice and strong guy. In other words, it's less likely for nice guys to have the trait, but not impossible: they don't have it because they didn't attempt it since they simply listened to girls who didn't know (or weren't willing to admit) what they wanted. In my experience, girls do want first and foremost an alpha male, and being a nice guy on top of that makes it even better. It's just not a necessity so the jerks can succeed without that quality, whereas the nice guys can't succeed without "dominance."

banned_man 18y ago
So your argument is that women don't have shitty, infantile tastes so much as shitty, infantile priorities, then?
- rdouble 18y ago
  So your argument is that women don't have shitty, infantile tastes so much as shitty, infantile priorities, then? I guess now we know what time_management's new nickname is...
- joetrumpet 18y ago
  It came about for evolutionary purposes, I'm sure, and the magnitude of their influence is quite debatable, and varies greatly from person to person. But do you believe status is not a factor in the eyes of most girls (this is, of course, simply a generalization)? I'm sure you have friends who you would consider incredibly nice, but very shy, guys who never could get a girlfriend, and plenty of jerky, but confident, guys who you wonder why girls would date. Confident guys, even when not nice, just seem to win out over really nice, but not at all confident, guys. Guys with both win out over both. Whether or not it's a bad thing is your call. (I'm not arguing guys are above their primitive desires: not by any means, it's just not the focus of this discussion.)