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> substances that indeed improve mood and well-being in depressed people (especially MDMA, but also LSD, Psilocybin, Heroin) ... I believe every substance that

> substances that indeed improve mood and well-being in depressed people (especially MDMA, but also LSD, Psilocybin, Heroin) ... I believe every substance that does this is going to be addictive. Dude, you're misinforming people. There are indeed substances that help depressed people. They are called anti-depressants. The illegal drugs you listed above are not anti-depressants, and therefore you have no rational reason to believe that anti-depressants must have similar properties. Real anti-depressants are generally neither dangerous nor addictive. Please don't misinform people about this.

casiotone 13y ago
There have been various trials with MDMA/LSD showing efficacy in treating some mental disorders. And they are probably even more effective than SSRIs, seeing as how we don't even know how or why SSRIs seem to work, if they even do. (But, of course, don't self-medicate, talk to your doctor.) SSRIs are not strictly addictive but they do cause very unpleasant withdrawal effects as your brain gets used to a 'normal' level of serotonin again.
iSnow 13y ago
Dude, antidepressants do absolutely nothing for a lot of depressed people. - http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/18/new-research-on-the-antidepressant-versus-placebo-debate/ http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/18/new-research-on-the-an... Concerning XTC, LSD and Psilocybin: they are surely not the silver bullet, but could be valuable for treatment. Maybe you'd like to fact up: - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/9565026/Can-LSD-cure-depression.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/9565026/Can-LSD-cure-depr... - http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/apr/07/magic-mushrooms-treat-depression http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/apr/07/magic-mushroom... Had you read what I wrote, you would not claim that I implied current antidepressants are dangerous nor addictive. They are, however, suspected of facilitating suicidal thoughts in adolescents, so I would not exactly call them harmless - http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/child-and-adolescent-mental-health/antidepressant-medications-for-children-and-adolescents-information-for-parents-and-caregivers.shtml http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/child-and-adolescent-m...
peterwwillis 13y ago
"Real" anti-depressants have been found to cause suicide, and are part of why the suicide rate has been increasing in recent years. There are thousands of articles about this, starting over 10 years ago. However, it's obvious neither of you are qualified to talk about addiction, so both of you should either provide sources or shut up about it. Some of these articles talk about the potential suicide risk created by antidepressants: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121300452.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12... http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/18/national/18depress.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/18/national/18depress.html?_r... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-peter-breggin/antidepressants-cause-sui_b_218465.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-peter-breggin/antidepressan... These articles talk about what we know about antidepressants and their risks: http://www.helpguide.org/mental/medications_depression.htm http://www.helpguide.org/mental/medications_depression.htm http://www.drugwatch.com/ssri/suicide/ http://www.drugwatch.com/ssri/suicide/ This person rails against the first few articles, but also acknowledges the risks: http://freethoughtblogs.com/ashleymiller/2013/01/18/antidepressants-and-suicide-the-rant/ http://freethoughtblogs.com/ashleymiller/2013/01/18/antidepr... Some Google Scholar searches: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=antidepressant+cause+suicide+study https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=antidepressant+cause+su...
- LaGrange 13y ago
  What causes suicide is that at the point where depression lifts a bit, you suddenly are able to take action, but not necessarily any happier. In fact, did you not that part about "hate" in the OP? That's when people kill themselves. It happens with medication, it happens with CBT, it is an essential inherent risk of depression therapy — the first few months are dangerous.
  - peterwwillis 13y ago
    I mostly caught the part where the guy I replied to was making ridiculous statements about both antidepressants and how there is somehow a "logic" which dictates that illegal substances can't treat depression.

casiotone 13y ago

There have been various trials with MDMA/LSD showing efficacy in treating some mental disorders. And they are probably even more effective than SSRIs, seeing as how we don't even know how or why SSRIs seem to work, if they even do. (But, of course, don't self-medicate, talk to your doctor.) SSRIs are not strictly addictive but they do cause very unpleasant withdrawal effects as your brain gets used to a 'normal' level of serotonin again.

iSnow 13y ago

Dude, antidepressants do absolutely nothing for a lot of depressed people. - http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/18/new-research-on-the-antidepressant-versus-placebo-debate/ http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/18/new-research-on-the-an... Concerning XTC, LSD and Psilocybin: they are surely not the silver bullet, but could be valuable for treatment. Maybe you'd like to fact up: - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/9565026/Can-LSD-cure-depression.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/9565026/Can-LSD-cure-depr... - http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/apr/07/magic-mushrooms-treat-depression http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/apr/07/magic-mushroom... Had you read what I wrote, you would not claim that I implied current antidepressants are dangerous nor addictive. They are, however, suspected of facilitating suicidal thoughts in adolescents, so I would not exactly call them harmless - http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/child-and-adolescent-mental-health/antidepressant-medications-for-children-and-adolescents-information-for-parents-and-caregivers.shtml http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/child-and-adolescent-m...

peterwwillis 13y ago

"Real" anti-depressants have been found to cause suicide, and are part of why the suicide rate has been increasing in recent years. There are thousands of articles about this, starting over 10 years ago. However, it's obvious neither of you are qualified to talk about addiction, so both of you should either provide sources or shut up about it. Some of these articles talk about the potential suicide risk created by antidepressants: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121300452.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12... http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/18/national/18depress.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/18/national/18depress.html?_r... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-peter-breggin/antidepressants-cause-sui_b_218465.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-peter-breggin/antidepressan... These articles talk about what we know about antidepressants and their risks: http://www.helpguide.org/mental/medications_depression.htm http://www.helpguide.org/mental/medications_depression.htm http://www.drugwatch.com/ssri/suicide/ http://www.drugwatch.com/ssri/suicide/ This person rails against the first few articles, but also acknowledges the risks: http://freethoughtblogs.com/ashleymiller/2013/01/18/antidepressants-and-suicide-the-rant/ http://freethoughtblogs.com/ashleymiller/2013/01/18/antidepr... Some Google Scholar searches: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=antidepressant+cause+suicide+study https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=antidepressant+cause+su...

LaGrange 13y ago
What causes suicide is that at the point where depression lifts a bit, you suddenly are able to take action, but not necessarily any happier. In fact, did you not that part about "hate" in the OP? That's when people kill themselves. It happens with medication, it happens with CBT, it is an essential inherent risk of depression therapy — the first few months are dangerous.
- peterwwillis 13y ago
  I mostly caught the part where the guy I replied to was making ridiculous statements about both antidepressants and how there is somehow a "logic" which dictates that illegal substances can't treat depression.